UK, you're doing it wrong. This would never happen in Asia..

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Post by FBM » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:04 pm

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Post by JimC » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:34 am

Is it the sesame oil and garlic that makes the difference?
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Post by Feck » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:47 am

Yeh guess we don't have enough sociopaths to torture our animals to death ,and our government actually enforce the rule of law .
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Post by The Curious Squid » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:09 am

I'm with FBM on this one, why do dogs get special treatment?
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Post by FBM » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:19 am

Feck wrote:Yeh guess we don't have enough sociopaths to torture our animals to death ,and our government actually enforce the rule of law .
I agree. I think the people who torture dogs or anything else to death should be treated the same way. I love animals and hate to see anything suffer.

But, like Paco, I don't see a good, objective, scientific reason to single out dogs as forbidden. They should just be treated humanely.
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Post by Feck » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:33 am

Paco wrote:I'm with FBM on this one, why do dogs get special treatment?
i have no objection to eating dog ,but do some research about how they are kept and how they are slaughtered !
If you got caught treating animals like this in the western world you would be ,quite rightly labelled as a danger to the public.
It IS illegal in Korea ,It is not a part of their culture ,in the past dogs were only eaten during famines.
I think you must question the morality of torturing an animal before you kill it because you think the horrific pain makes the meat taste better .

Allow this and next you will be keeping bears in tiny cages and draining their gall bladders because you think it cures baldness .

Oh hang on..... :doh:
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Post by Sisifo » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:57 am

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Paco wrote:I'm with FBM on this one, why do dogs get special treatment?
i have no objection to eating dog ,but do some research about how they are kept and how they are slaughtered !
If you got caught treating animals like this in the western world you would be ,quite rightly labelled as a danger to the public.
It IS illegal in Korea ,It is not a part of their culture ,in the past dogs were only eaten during famines.
I think you must question the morality of torturing an animal before you kill it because you think the horrific pain makes the meat taste better .

Allow this and next you will be keeping bears in tiny cages and draining their gall bladders because you think it cures baldness .

Oh hang on..... :doh:
I have Lots of objections to eating dog. Living in Vietnam I eat all kind of weird stuff. From Cobra hearts to all kind of roasted pests. But eating dogs is a treason. Dogs didn't happen spontaneously and all about natural selection. They were handpicked to create eventually a wolf who would be intelligent, loyal to humans and affectionate. When I see them roasted in the restaurants or sold in the market I feel like we are committing the worst crime. Like we are eating our spiritual children as species.

All my employees and underlinings know that if it gets to my ears that they eat dog, they are going to wish they would work anywhere else.
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Post by leo-rcc » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:04 pm

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Post by Feck » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:20 pm

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Post by FBM » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:26 pm

I refuse to be aggressive about my beliefs and preferences. I'll politely voice my opinions, if asked, about the unnecessary cruelty to animals and other issues, but I won't get into an argument about them, nor will I nurture a spirit of intolerance. I recognize others' right to make their own decisions based on their own values. "We've got a right to see it wrong if freedom's to survive." (OK, it's just from an old Steppenwolf song, but I like it. :mrgreen: ) It doesn't bother me that others see things differently. Why would I expect things to be different? It's not like I consider myself to be omniscient or inerrant.

I disagree strongly with torturing dogs to death, so I don't torture dogs to death. I'm not on a Crusade over it. My present reality is that I'm in Korea, not the US or Europe or Oz. Some people eat dogs here. If I'm invited to dinner by friends or colleagues, and the majority want to eat dog, I eat dog. If I can politely persuade them to choose a different restaurant, I will. However, it's incumbent upon me to respect the culture of the country that I'm voluntarily living in; not to launch a crusade to convert it to Western values. Likewise, I would appreciate it if they didn't try to convert my home country to their values if they chose to live in the US. That's just basic mutual respect, tolerance and peaceful co-existence.
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Post by Feck » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:47 pm

I'm not being aggressive about it .It is not a subject I bring up (and I do wonder why it does get mentioned so often) .I do reserve the right to comment on atrocity .
"It's their culture " is a crappy argument , Would you extend that to human rights ? Is it fine for there to be no more whales,or rhino or tigers because some one claims it is their cultural right to kill them ?
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Post by leo-rcc » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:49 pm

Feck wrote:"It's their culture " is a crappy argument , Would you extend that to human rights ? Is it fine for there to be no more whales,or rhino or tigers because some one claims it is their cultural right to kill them ?
Well isn't it?
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Post by Feck » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:07 pm

leo-rcc wrote:
Feck wrote:"It's their culture " is a crappy argument , Would you extend that to human rights ? Is it fine for there to be no more whales,or rhino or tigers because some one claims it is their cultural right to kill them ?
Well isn't it?
I don't think so ! esp as so many things that are labelled that way really aren't ,Japanese Whaling ships , Rhino horn, Tiger 'medicine' .Should we accept slavery (in all it's forms) because at one point in history it was our culture ?
What is sacred about culture anyway ? It does not trump every other consideration .
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Post by FBM » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:09 pm

Do lions have the 'right' to hunt gazelle to extinction?
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Post by leo-rcc » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:29 pm

Feck wrote:
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Feck wrote:"It's their culture " is a crappy argument , Would you extend that to human rights ? Is it fine for there to be no more whales,or rhino or tigers because some one claims it is their cultural right to kill them ?
Well isn't it?
I don't think so ! esp as so many things that are labelled that way really aren't ,Japanese Whaling ships , Rhino horn, Tiger 'medicine' .Should we accept slavery (in all it's forms) because at one point in history it was our culture ?
What is sacred about culture anyway ? It does not trump every other consideration .
See but this is where I have a problem with that kind of reasoning. You are making a value judgment on a culture that you are not a part of with the standards of a culture you are a part of. And then you put your standards above those of them who are in agreement with the practices of that culture.
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