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Japan Deputy retracts Nazi comments

Post by klr » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:03 am

Another day, another episode of foot-in-mouth:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23527300
Japan Deputy PM Taro Aso retracts Nazi comments

Japan's Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso has retracted remarks suggesting that the country could learn from Nazi Germany's constitutional reform.

Mr Aso said on Monday Japan could "learn the technique" Nazi Germany used to change the Weimar constitution.

The remarks come amid debate in Japan over its pacifist constitution, which restricts the military to a self-defence role.

Mr Aso's comments drew criticism from neighbouring China and South Korea.

"I retract my remarks in which I cited the Nazis as an example, as it has ended up leading to misunderstanding," Mr Aso, who is also finance minister and a former prime minister, told reporters on Thursday.

"It is clear from all my remarks that I have an extremely negative view of the events involving the Nazis and the Weimar constitution."

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters: "I want to make it clear that the [Prime Minister Shinzo] Abe cabinet will never view the Nazi government positively".

'Nazi tactics'

On Monday, Mr Aso had said in a speech that: "The German Weimar constitution changed, without being noticed, to the Nazi German constitution. Why don't we learn from their tactics?"

In 1933 after a fire burned down the German parliament, Adolf Hitler, who was chancellor at the time, and President Paul von Hindenburg enforced a state of emergency, suspending civic freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.

Hitler then successfully passed the Enabling Act, which meant he could pass laws without consulting parliament - a move viewed as crucial to consolidating his grip on power.

Retracting the remarks on Thursday, Mr Aso said he highlighted the case as "as a bad example of changes made without a substantial debate or understanding by the citizens".

In response to Mr Aso's Monday speech, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said that Mr Aso's comments had alarmed Japan's neighbours, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

"We demand the Japanese side reflect on its history, fulfil its commitments on historical issues and win the trust of Asian neighbours and the international community through concrete actions," Mr Hong said.

South Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman Cho Tai-young said the "remarks definitely hurt many people".

"It is clear what such comments on the [Nazi] regime mean to people of the time and to those who [suffered] from Japan's imperialistic invasion", he said.

'Expand and deepen'

Constitutional reform is a delicate issue in Japan. Under Article 9 of its post-war constitution, Japan is blocked from the use of force to resolve conflicts except in the case of self-defence.

But Mr Abe - who now controls both houses of parliament after a win in last month's upper house polls - has indicated he wants to re-examine the role of Japan's military to meet the changing security environment in the Asia-Pacific region.

Mr Abe has said he wants to "expand and deepen" debate over the constitution in order to ease tight restrictions on the armed forces - something China and South Korea, which were invaded by Japan during WWII, are opposed to.

Mr Aso, his deputy, has made verbal gaffes in the past. During his term as prime minister, he accused doctors of lacking common sense and called the elderly a "feeble" group - despite his party relying heavily on older voters to keep it in power.

In May, Osaka's Mayor Toru Hashimoto came under fire after he said that "comfort women", women who were forced to become prostitutes for Japan's WWII troops, were "necessary".
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Re: Japan Deputy retracts Nazi comments

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:07 am

He Godwin'd the entire country?
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Post by FBM » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:59 am

He just let the cat out of the bag wrt to behind-the-scenes developments in the ruling party's agenda. Or maybe it was a planned "slip."
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:01 am

FBM wrote:He just let the cat out of the bag wrt to behind-the-scenes developments in the ruling party's agenda. Or maybe it was a planned "slip."
Have you seen some of the other proposed changes. :|~
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Post by FBM » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:05 am

Nah. Haven't had much time to read the news lately. Probably don't want to know, anyway.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:07 am

FBM wrote:Nah. Haven't had much time to read the news lately. Probably don't want to know, anyway.
*Article 97 guaranteeing fundamental human rights would be deleted. A revised Article 12 would state the people "shall be aware that duties and obligations accompany freedoms and rights and shall never violate the public order and public interest".
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Re: Japan Deputy retracts Nazi comments

Post by klr » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:11 am

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FBM wrote:Nah. Haven't had much time to read the news lately. Probably don't want to know, anyway.
*Article 97 guaranteeing fundamental human rights would be deleted. A revised Article 12 would state the people "shall be aware that duties and obligations accompany freedoms and rights and shall never violate the public order and public interest".
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/ ... 4920130524
Thankfully, I can't see even the order-loving Japanese voting away their fundamental rights.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:13 am

It shows that a power bloc there thinks they will, however. :nervous:
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Post by FBM » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:16 am

Or, if the OP is accurate, thinks they can slip it through unnoticed by the GP until it's already law.
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Post by Collector1337 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:02 pm

Well, Japan has already been disarmed, so any kind of tyranny they want to impose should be pretty easy.
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Post by Robert_S » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:16 pm

Collector1337 wrote:Well, Japan has already been disarmed, so any kind of tyranny they want to impose should be pretty easy.
The easiest way to impose tyranny is to convince the people to do it to themselves.
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Post by Warren Dew » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:20 pm

klr wrote:
"I retract my remarks in which I cited the Nazis as an example, as it has ended up leading to misunderstanding," Mr Aso, who is also finance minister and a former prime minister, told reporters on Thursday.
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Post by Collector1337 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:14 am

Robert_S wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:Well, Japan has already been disarmed, so any kind of tyranny they want to impose should be pretty easy.
The easiest way to impose tyranny is to convince the people to do it to themselves.
And the best way.
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