Sacrificing children for the Second amendment

[Jesus_of_Nazareth]

The 2nd Amendment IS needed in America - as they simply cannot control themselves.

If the guns were outlawed they would be raping and killing each other en-masse.

and sometimes killing and then raping.

[Tero]

Notes Caroline Isaacs of the Tucson office of the American Friends Service Committee: "To invite for-profit prison guards to conduct law enforcement actions in a high school is perhaps the most direct expression of the `schools-to-prison pipeline’ I’ve ever seen." Clearly, the similarities between government-run schools and prisons are not limited to architecture. Posting National Guard troops around government indoctrination centers, as Boxer proposes, would destroy any residual pretense that there is a material distinction between "schools" and "prisons" in what is becoming an undisguised garrison state.

School, it's got guns and drugs! Only needs birth control now.

http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w297.html

[Seth]

How do you know, Rum, that there were not 20 gun owners on the same day that saved their own child from rapists and killers, with a gun? If they did not kill the rapist, it would not make the news.

If it were true, the NRA would be trumpeting such statistics from the rooftops.

Er, they do. Every day on their "Armed Citizen" website, and in their monthly magazine.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Seth]

The second amendment is not needed.

It's not a Bill of Needs, it's a Bill of Rights, so fuck you very much.

No other western nation has anything like the second amendment, and they all permit limited ownership of firearms.

They're idiots and slaves, so who cares what they do.

Anyone who wants a sporting rifle and meets the criteria can get one.

The Second Amendment isn't about sporting rifles...well, only about sporting rifles. It's primarily about the citizenry being well armed at all times so that it can overthrow a despot and/or defend themselves or the nation at need.

The second amendment does not permit proper gun ownership.

Wow. You actually said something that's 100 percent accurate. The Second Amendment does not permit anything at all, it FORBIDS government from infringing on our pre-existing, unalienable, natural right to keep and bear arms.

What it does is permit improper gun ownership, by people who should never, never be permitted one.

Oh damn, and I though you had a fucking clue...Nope. Oh well, no great surprise there.

[Seth]

Here we go again..

1)Yes I approve of stricter gun control, I also think the 2nd amendment is in dire need of serious reformation.

2)Stricter gun control and reformation of the right to bear arms would not have prevented this tragedy.

3)Stricter gun control and reformation of the right to bear arms will not prevent accidental discharges causing deaths (education may decrease them, but people will still be idiots - even smart responsible people are idiots sometimes)

4)Stricter gun control and reformation of the right to bear arms and self-defence laws will reduce gun related deaths.

Agree 100%

Right on. The way the Second Amendment is worded, that the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed upon" technically makes it very difficult to pass stricter controls that the Supreme Court can declare to be constitutional. We need to amend that clause so that we can require education, training and safe storage as prerequisites to firearm ownership. Not just handguns, either.

Have fun with that. I won't hold my breath. It's lasted 236 years so far without nitwits and hoplophobes succeeding in amending it. I'm not very worried that it'll be amended any time soon.

[Azathoth]

bum custard

[orpheus]

How do you know, Rum, that there were not 20 gun owners on the same day that saved their own child from rapists and killers, with a gun? If they did not kill the rapist, it would not make the news.

If it were true, the NRA would be trumpeting such statistics from the rooftops.

Er, they do. Every day on their "Armed Citizen" website, and in their monthly magazine.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Printing it in their own monthly magazine is rather preaching to the choir. That's not shouting it from the rooftops. The very fact that I haven't heard it indicates this. What I meant was this: they would shout those statistics in rebuttal to the claims of anti-gun people. They would do so in those arguments, and in the mass media.

Haven't seen that. Maybe they don't have enough confidence in their own statistics?

[Jason]

It's lasted 236 years

Quite right. It's an antiquated, ambiguous, misinterpreted document that should be binned altogether.

[macdoc]

Mores change - it's time

[Jason]

What's wrong with spankin' yer wimmin'? It's like a good steak - deep pink and juicy all the way.

[Blind groper]

Maybe they don't have enough confidence in their own statistics?

Those statistics are deeply flawed.
I have already shown Seth a contrary study. What it boils down to now, is one academic saying one thing and others saying the opposite. Seth will, however, always pretend that the academic who claims what Seth wants to be true, is somehow presenting a divine truth.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's lasted 236 years

Quite right. It's an antiquated, ambiguous, misinterpreted document that should be binned altogether.

Thomas Jefferson said we should rewrite it every twenty years to make it relevant to the times.

[Svartalf]

It's lasted 236 years

Quite right. It's an antiquated, ambiguous, misinterpreted document that should be binned altogether.

Thomas Jefferson said we should rewrite it every twenty years to make it relevant to the times.

Was he wise among the Wise or just a starry eyed idealist?

[Blind groper]

Was he wise among the Wise or just a starry eyed idealist?

Sounds like a pretty smart dude to me.

[Svartalf]

Lots of people regard JJ Rousseau as a smart dude... maybe he was, but anything practical he wrote in matter of philosophy, politics, education, and whatever else I might not know about, was pure unadulterated drek, as it did not in the least take account of human nature, when it did not openly discount it, and he even wrote books counselling people to do things in complete contradiction with what he himself did...

Seeming smart does not mean actually being so, if the smmart idea is doomed to eing impossible to put into practice.