Patrick Moore: racist?

Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Lozzer » Tue May 01, 2012 2:20 pm

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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby MrJonno » Tue May 01, 2012 2:42 pm

His past explains his bigotry but doesnt justify it, he might better of sticking to astronomy and xylophones rather than foreign policy (same applies to Richard Dawkins as well)
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby fretmeister » Tue May 01, 2012 2:58 pm

We can't judge past generations by modern standards. Abraham Lincoln was radically advanced for his time, yet publically stated he thought that black people could never be the equal of whites.

My grandparents were terribly racist, and not surprisingly the aim of their views was germans and japanese. My grandad fought the germans, and my granny's brother died in a japanese camp. Yet they lived in Peckham and had local friends of all backgrounds.

So it really doesn't surprise me when an old celebrity says something a bit silly - in fact in a way I think it shows such thoughts are being left behind.

While I'm all in favour of pointing out unacceptable things I am also aware that I have not experienced war or any other extreme high pressure situation where I might percieve threat from what I think is an entire group. Of course not all german soldiers were Nazis, but they would have all killed my grandad.

Perhaps in 30 years time our kids and grand children will be pointing out that not all muslims are terrorists. They will be correct. But they still won't convince Ken Bigley's family.
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Clinton Huxley » Tue May 01, 2012 3:21 pm

He has previously stated "Only the Germans could have committed the Holocaust and only the Germans could do it again..."

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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Rum » Tue May 01, 2012 3:23 pm

FFS he can't even talk properly any more. Let the poor old bugger fade away gracefully I say after all he has done a lot more good than harm.

..and he may be right about the Germans. :hehe:
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby von Starnberg » Tue May 01, 2012 3:27 pm

The only good critic of the German peoples is a dead critic of the German peoples. It is not so?
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby fretmeister » Tue May 01, 2012 3:38 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:He has previously stated "Only the Germans could have committed the Holocaust and only the Germans could do it again..."

Can't teach an old astronomer new tricks.



| once read that a rather unfortunate quote had been attributed to Helmut Kohl - something on the lines of - "I'm in favour of the EU because I can't trust the german people to not have a 3rd attempt..."

I have no idea at all of the accuracy of it or even whether it was public or a private joke with "friends" in the same way that Woody Allen gets caught out with Holocaust jokes sometimes.

But even so....
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Clinton Huxley » Tue May 01, 2012 3:43 pm

fretmeister wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:He has previously stated "Only the Germans could have committed the Holocaust and only the Germans could do it again..."

Can't teach an old astronomer new tricks.



| once read that a rather unfortunate quote had been attributed to Helmut Kohl - something on the lines of - "I'm in favour of the EU because I can't trust the german people to not have a 3rd attempt..."

I have no idea at all of the accuracy of it or even whether it was public or a private joke with "friends" in the same way that Woody Allen gets caught out with Holocaust jokes sometimes.

But even so....

Great Scott, Moore is on to something!
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Rum » Tue May 01, 2012 3:46 pm

Its a law you know..
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Clinton Huxley » Tue May 01, 2012 3:52 pm

Rum wrote:Its a law you know..

Patrick's Law? Never heard such rubbish.
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Rum » Tue May 01, 2012 3:54 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:
Rum wrote:Its a law you know..

Patrick's Law? Never heard such rubbish.


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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby klr » Tue May 01, 2012 4:45 pm

He's the Winston Churchill of astronomy, in so many respects. :lol:
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Animavore » Tue May 01, 2012 5:05 pm

The Gamesmaster racist! Say it ain't so.
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby mistermack » Tue May 01, 2012 7:22 pm

He did acknowledge that there might be some good germans. He was saying that he didn't like them, and many people who went through the war say the same thing, and are fully entitled to.

It's not racist. Germans are not a race. They're a bunch of people born within some lines on a map.
It is wrong to generalise about Germans, but I don't think he would, if there was any prospect of causing real harm.

The only generalisation I would personally make about Germans, is that they don't like it up em.
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Re: Patrick Moore: racist?

Postby Seabass » Tue May 01, 2012 8:39 pm

A British person who hates the Krauts instead of the Merkins? I think I love that guy!
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