MrJonno wrote:Really so there is an equivalent of people in the bottom of society thinking that one day they will be at the top voting for conservatives outside the US?
I'll leave you to your proofs as to whichever allegation you're making.
You referred to Americans voting on "moral" issues, which is what I specifically addressed.
As far as this new allegation of the "equivalent of people at the bottom" thinking that one day they will be at the top. I don't know. I don't know what you mean by "at the bottom." Most people in the US who are below the poverty level don't seem to me to have illusions of grandeur, and they primarily vote for Democrats. But, you can illuminate the issue, maybe, with your greater insight. You think that more people "at the bottom" in the US think that one day they will be at the top and therefore vote for conservatives, as opposed to outside the US? Well, let's see what you base that view on. Anything other than your own gut feeling?
MrJonno wrote:Or the fact that all surveys showed any overwhelming majority of people against the Iraq war but when it came to elections the one party that was against it got slaughtered in the UK
I can't speak to what the votes were in the UK. In the US, it was not the case in 2003 than an overwhelming majority of people were against the Iraq War. In 2004, we were coming off having captured Saddam, and having routed Saddam's army quite recently, and things were going pretty well. So, in our elections over here, there was not much that could be said against Bush relative to Iraq. Most of his problems came later, when the insurgency continued. You can let me know the dynamics of the British elections.
My recollection, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is that Labour was in favor of the Iraq war, and so were the Tories. That would seem to account for most of your MPs.
But, your specific allegations was that you have so few folks in the armed forces that nobody even votes on who you invade. Well, point of fact, based on the UK pouplation of about 62 million and your 227,160 active duty armed forces, you have .3% of your population in the armed forces at any one time. In the US, we have 1.4 million in the armed forces, which based on a population of over 330,000,000 means we have .4% of the population in the armed forces at any one time. As a percentage of population, the UK and the US have about the same percentage of the population serving. Nothing seems particular relevant about that in terms of how many people in the UK would know somebody or have family members in the armed forces.
People voting for Christian right parties while being poor is by far more common in the US than anywhere else
Your failure to understand that in the US the Republican party is a very large party, which is not exclusively Christian, is where you miss the mark here. There is a battle raging in the Republican party, and has been for years, between the traditional Republicans who were not overtly religious, and the religious right Republicans.
But, again, I would love to see your data for this notion that it is "far more common" in the US than anywhere else. My suspicion is that you just feel it.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me". Hunter S. Thompson.