we're fighting for the women?

[sandinista]

I guess a decade of occupation and you get...really? In 2012. On International womens day no less.

http://www.canada.com/news/Hamid+Karzai ... story.html

[Clinton Huxley]

Depressing news but as the link in the op says, 2.5 million girls in Afghanistan are now at school. If they get sold out as part of a peace deal with the Taliban, then the invasion really will have been utterly pointless.

You can shoot a man but how do you defeat entrenched misogyny?

[JimC]

Yes, little has been achieved, let's get the fuck out, I agree...

Sorry for the future generations of even more repressed and mutilated women, but they will have to sort out their medieval barbarity themselves in future..

[Atheist-Lite]

It's the men over there keeping them like that, and the logical conclusion is to make cheap woman only airline tickets available so women there can escape to the civilized world. And make it extra attractive by getting them hitched to a western man via one of these inter-ethnic dating sites?

[Robert_S]

Depressing news but as the link in the op says, 2.5 million girls in Afghanistan are now at school. If they get sold out as part of a peace deal with the Taliban, then the invasion really will have been utterly pointless.

You can shoot a man but how do you defeat entrenched misogyny?

Shoot the rest of the men, then find out that the gender role memes were spread evenly across the genders.

[Rum]

It is to be hoped that there has been a degree of 'consciousness raising' over the last decade or more and that will pay off in due course which will slowly build. Its not much but its better than nothing.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's the men over there keeping them like that, and the logical conclusion is to make cheap woman only airline tickets available so women there can escape to the civilized world. And make it extra attractive by getting them hitched to a western man via one of these inter-ethnic dating sites?

Send two to Svarty.

[apophenia]

The bigger picture is that it shows the futility of nation building.

[sandinista]

It is to be hoped that there has been a degree of 'consciousness raising' over the last decade or more and that will pay off in due course which will slowly build. Its not much but its better than nothing.

Is it worth the money and the dead? Not a chance.

The bigger picture is that it shows the futility of nation building.

Of course, though, I'm not even sure if that is what was being attempted.

[Rum]

It is to be hoped that there has been a degree of 'consciousness raising' over the last decade or more and that will pay off in due course which will slowly build. Its not much but its better than nothing.

Is it worth the money and the dead? Not a chance.

The bigger picture is that it shows the futility of nation building.

Of course, though, I'm not even sure if that is what was being attempted.

I am not suggesting it was worth the lives (sod the money). But I have seen attitudes to the rights of women change immeasurably in places, not least here in the UK, but more dramatically in Hong Kong as I grew up. The traditional Chinese attitude was almost as conservative as the Taliban's - well perhaps not quite as conservative, but getting there. Exposure to more liberal attitudes changed that radically over three or four decades.

[Clinton Huxley]

It is to be hoped that there has been a degree of 'consciousness raising' over the last decade or more and that will pay off in due course which will slowly build. Its not much but its better than nothing.

Is it worth the money and the dead? Not a chance.

The bigger picture is that it shows the futility of nation building.

Of course, though, I'm not even sure if that is what was being attempted.

I am not suggesting it was worth the lives (sod the money). But I have seen attitudes to the rights of women change immeasurably in places, not least here in the UK, but more dramatically in Hong Kong as I grew up. The traditional Chinese attitude was almost as conservative as the Taliban's - well perhaps not quite as conservative, but getting there. Exposure to more liberal attitudes changed that radically over three or four decades.

Looks like at the present rate of change we can pull out sometime in the 25th century.....

[Azathoth]

Until they get weaned off the medieval kiddy fiddlers rantings they will continue to treat women like shit. Shooting them isn't going to change that

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Until they get weaned off the medieval kiddy fiddlers rantings they will continue to treat women like shit. Shooting them isn't going to change that

Well, the ones that get shoot (sufficiently) won't be doing that any more.

[sandinista]

It is to be hoped that there has been a degree of 'consciousness raising' over the last decade or more and that will pay off in due course which will slowly build. Its not much but its better than nothing.

Is it worth the money and the dead? Not a chance.

The bigger picture is that it shows the futility of nation building.

Of course, though, I'm not even sure if that is what was being attempted.

I am not suggesting it was worth the lives (sod the money). But I have seen attitudes to the rights of women change immeasurably in places, not least here in the UK, but more dramatically in Hong Kong as I grew up. The traditional Chinese attitude was almost as conservative as the Taliban's - well perhaps not quite as conservative, but getting there. Exposure to more liberal attitudes changed that radically over three or four decades.

What do you mean "sod the money"? Are you joking? Here in canada, instead of fighting this useless war for a decade that money could have been used for so many things, to help people in so many ways. Sod the money? Someone needs to be held responsible for this fiasco. Any business or government agency that simply wastes, throws away billions of dollars, needs to do some serious explaining. You think that the attitudes towards women has changed because of the occupation of Afghanistan? Really? I mean seriously wtf?

[mistermack]

Lets face it. This war was about one thing. George Bush's pride.
Osama Bin Laden kicked America's ass, well and truly, while George W was in the White House.

His ego couldn't take that, to go down in history with that on his record.
He had to get Osama, so he had to invade Afghanistan.

Anything else is just add-ons that people thought of later. Nobody cared that much about Afghan women's rights before 9/11.