Catholic church at it again. This time Holland.
Catholic church at it again. This time Holland.
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Why am I not surprised? 
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Tens of thousands of children abused by Netherlands church: commission
AMSTERDAM — Tens of thousands of children have been victims of sexual abuse by the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands since 1945, an independent commission said on Friday, criticizing what it called the church’s cover-up and culture of silence.
Church leaders said the findings filled them with shame and sorrow and offered a “heartfelt apology,” saying not only the perpetrators were to blame, but church authorities too.
The commission estimated that 10,000 to 20,000 minors were sexually abused in Catholic orphanages, boarding schools and seminaries between 1945 and 1981, with offences ranging from very mild to serious, including rape.
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Sex abuse victims accuse Pope of crimes against humanity
Education changes meant few Catholic homes for minors remained after 1981, but abuses involving the church continued.
“Several tens of thousands of minors were subjected to mild, serious, and very serious forms of inappropriate sexual behavior in the Roman Catholic Church,” from the end of World War Two until 2010, the commission said.
Most cases were of mild to moderate abuse, such as touching, but it estimated “several thousand” instances of rape.
The findings appear to show that abuse was more widespread in the Netherlands even than in Ireland, in a scandal that has rocked the Catholic Church in Europe and the United States and forced Pope Benedict to apologize to victims of sexual abuse by priests.
“The church committed crimes against humanity,” said Bert Smeets of Mea Culpa, an organization to help victims.
The investigation was commissioned by two Catholic bodies, the Conference of Bishops and the Dutch Religious Conference, in 2010 after cases surfaced involving pedophile priests in the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Germany, Australia, Canada and the United States.
Abuse by Catholic priests, laymen and laywomen was systematically covered up by the church to protect its reputation, the commission said, adding that the church was guilty of “inadequate supervision” and “inadequate action.”
“The Catholic Church had a culture of not airing its dirty laundry,” Wim Deetman, a Protestant former education minister and former mayor of The Hague who led the commission, told reporters.
SORROW AND SHAME
In a joint statement, the Conference of Bishops and Dutch Religious Conference (KNR) offered a “heartfelt apology.”
“The bishops and directors of the KNR are shocked by the sexual abuse of minors and the practices described in the final report. It fills us with shame and sorrow,” they said.
“The perpetrators are not the only ones to blame. Church authorities who did not act correctly and did not give priority to the interests of and care for these victims also share in this blame. We deeply regret this abuse.”
The commission said child sexual abuse was no more prevalent in Catholic institutions than in ones run by other groups but was twice as high as the national average of 10 percent.
“Sexual abuse of minors is widespread in Dutch society,” said its report, based on statements of victims who came forward as well as a survey of 34,234 Dutch nationals aged 40 and above.
BISHOP CRITICIZED
A new complaints committee set up to handle sexual abuse in the Catholic Church will give priority to complaints about at least 105 perpetrators who are still alive, the commission said.
Its report singled out Ronald Philippe Baer, Bishop of Rotterdam from 1983 until 1993, for particular criticism, saying he appointed unsuitable men to the priesthood who were guilty of abusing minors, and turned a blind eye to their offences.
“How the bishop at the time, monsignor Baer, could have responded so lightly to the [conditional] conviction of one of these priests is a mystery to the Commission,” it said.
Baer, now in his eighties, went to the Belgian monastery of Chevetogne after he stepped down in 1993, the Rotterdam diocese says on its Web site, adding that he was admitted to hospital in March this year for heart problems.
In a statement, the Dutch prosecutors’ office said it had received 30 reports of abuse by clergymen but the cases had lapsed because the alleged crimes took place too long ago.
It said the Deetman commission had referred 11 cases to prosecutors of which one was being investigated, while the others contained too little information and had probably lapsed.
So far, one sexton has been sentenced to 15 months in jail, while two other cases had lapsed, prosecutors said.
The commission has already published some recommendations.
It has urged the Church to pay compensation of between 5,000 and 100,000 euros each to victims and to set up a centre to help those abused.
“You can assume that all the dioceses, all the congregations, all the orders will pay compensation to the victims,” Wim Eijk, the archbishop of Utrecht, told reporters.
Tens of thousands of children abused by Netherlands church: commission
AMSTERDAM — Tens of thousands of children have been victims of sexual abuse by the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands since 1945, an independent commission said on Friday, criticizing what it called the church’s cover-up and culture of silence.
Church leaders said the findings filled them with shame and sorrow and offered a “heartfelt apology,” saying not only the perpetrators were to blame, but church authorities too.
The commission estimated that 10,000 to 20,000 minors were sexually abused in Catholic orphanages, boarding schools and seminaries between 1945 and 1981, with offences ranging from very mild to serious, including rape.
Related
Sex abuse victims accuse Pope of crimes against humanity
Education changes meant few Catholic homes for minors remained after 1981, but abuses involving the church continued.
“Several tens of thousands of minors were subjected to mild, serious, and very serious forms of inappropriate sexual behavior in the Roman Catholic Church,” from the end of World War Two until 2010, the commission said.
Most cases were of mild to moderate abuse, such as touching, but it estimated “several thousand” instances of rape.
The findings appear to show that abuse was more widespread in the Netherlands even than in Ireland, in a scandal that has rocked the Catholic Church in Europe and the United States and forced Pope Benedict to apologize to victims of sexual abuse by priests.
“The church committed crimes against humanity,” said Bert Smeets of Mea Culpa, an organization to help victims.
The investigation was commissioned by two Catholic bodies, the Conference of Bishops and the Dutch Religious Conference, in 2010 after cases surfaced involving pedophile priests in the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Germany, Australia, Canada and the United States.
Abuse by Catholic priests, laymen and laywomen was systematically covered up by the church to protect its reputation, the commission said, adding that the church was guilty of “inadequate supervision” and “inadequate action.”
“The Catholic Church had a culture of not airing its dirty laundry,” Wim Deetman, a Protestant former education minister and former mayor of The Hague who led the commission, told reporters.
SORROW AND SHAME
In a joint statement, the Conference of Bishops and Dutch Religious Conference (KNR) offered a “heartfelt apology.”
“The bishops and directors of the KNR are shocked by the sexual abuse of minors and the practices described in the final report. It fills us with shame and sorrow,” they said.
“The perpetrators are not the only ones to blame. Church authorities who did not act correctly and did not give priority to the interests of and care for these victims also share in this blame. We deeply regret this abuse.”
The commission said child sexual abuse was no more prevalent in Catholic institutions than in ones run by other groups but was twice as high as the national average of 10 percent.
“Sexual abuse of minors is widespread in Dutch society,” said its report, based on statements of victims who came forward as well as a survey of 34,234 Dutch nationals aged 40 and above.
BISHOP CRITICIZED
A new complaints committee set up to handle sexual abuse in the Catholic Church will give priority to complaints about at least 105 perpetrators who are still alive, the commission said.
Its report singled out Ronald Philippe Baer, Bishop of Rotterdam from 1983 until 1993, for particular criticism, saying he appointed unsuitable men to the priesthood who were guilty of abusing minors, and turned a blind eye to their offences.
“How the bishop at the time, monsignor Baer, could have responded so lightly to the [conditional] conviction of one of these priests is a mystery to the Commission,” it said.
Baer, now in his eighties, went to the Belgian monastery of Chevetogne after he stepped down in 1993, the Rotterdam diocese says on its Web site, adding that he was admitted to hospital in March this year for heart problems.
In a statement, the Dutch prosecutors’ office said it had received 30 reports of abuse by clergymen but the cases had lapsed because the alleged crimes took place too long ago.
It said the Deetman commission had referred 11 cases to prosecutors of which one was being investigated, while the others contained too little information and had probably lapsed.
So far, one sexton has been sentenced to 15 months in jail, while two other cases had lapsed, prosecutors said.
The commission has already published some recommendations.
It has urged the Church to pay compensation of between 5,000 and 100,000 euros each to victims and to set up a centre to help those abused.
“You can assume that all the dioceses, all the congregations, all the orders will pay compensation to the victims,” Wim Eijk, the archbishop of Utrecht, told reporters.
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I blame the teacher's union.Gawdzilla wrote:Explain this one away:
The commission estimated that 10,000 to 20,000 minors were sexually abused in Catholic orphanages, boarding schools and seminaries between 1945 and 1981, with offences ranging from very mild to serious, including rape.
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amused, for once that's not funny.
God dammit! How many times still until the festering ulcer that is the catlicker church gets cleaned out and cauterized for good? People should be leaving the fold in troves...
God dammit! How many times still until the festering ulcer that is the catlicker church gets cleaned out and cauterized for good? People should be leaving the fold in troves...
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Agreed Ronja, but you have people like a coworker of mine who still drink the kool aid. She thinks praying the rosary healed her daughter, (gee, I think the doctors would beg to differ) and that sex before marriage is a sin, and apparently she thinks birth control is a sin too since she squeezed out six kids. My mom is older than this woman and even though she watched Faux News, even she's more open minded than this person.
So, unfortunately, they are out there.
So, unfortunately, they are out there.
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Re: Tens of thousands of children abused by Netherlands chur
You probably should, along with plenty of other folks:amused wrote:I blame the teacher's union.Gawdzilla wrote:Explain this one away:
The commission estimated that 10,000 to 20,000 minors were sexually abused in Catholic orphanages, boarding schools and seminaries between 1945 and 1981, with offences ranging from very mild to serious, including rape.
The commission said child sexual abuse was no more prevalent in Catholic institutions than in ones run by other groups but was twice as high as the national average of 10 percent.
“Sexual abuse of minors is widespread in Dutch society,” said its report, based on statements of victims who came forward as well as a survey of 34,234 Dutch nationals aged 40 and above.
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And yet they don't, probably because the number of pedophile priests in the Netherlands is about the same in proportion to everybody else in the Netherlands, according to the study cited, which means a very small number over more than 60 years time span. I'm going to guess that there was plenty of Protestant cleric sex abuse going on as well. Not to mention teachers, athletic coaches, music instructors, parents, siblings and relatives.Ronja wrote:amused, for once that's not funny.
God dammit! How many times still until the festering ulcer that is the catlicker church gets cleaned out and cauterized for good? People should be leaving the fold in troves...
Where's your outrage at all those other groups who are just as guilty, pray tell?
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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So, Seth, defending the indefensible again by your usual tactic of lies and half truths, of saying "they're no worse than anybody else"...
Totally ignoring the fact that virtually all of the offenders were never stopped at the time, because of the deliberate and systematic cover-up by a hierarchy that wielded much more power than any youth group or scouting organisation.
Still sticking up for perverted child abusers...
Still carrying a torch for manipulative religious organisations...
Still convinced that us evil atheists are being mean to the poor old kiddie fiddlers when we bring up news stories like this one...
Totally ignoring the fact that virtually all of the offenders were never stopped at the time, because of the deliberate and systematic cover-up by a hierarchy that wielded much more power than any youth group or scouting organisation.
Still sticking up for perverted child abusers...
Still carrying a torch for manipulative religious organisations...
Still convinced that us evil atheists are being mean to the poor old kiddie fiddlers when we bring up news stories like this one...
Nurse, where the fuck's my cardigan?
And my gin!
And my gin!
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20,000 kids and no parents knew about this? Right. That's the Catholic system for you.
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They've been doing it 1000 years now.
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I'm not defending pedophile priests, and never have. I'm defending the billion Catholics and 400,000 priests who are NOT pedophiles against the calumnies and insults of bigots like you.JimC wrote:So, Seth, defending the indefensible again by your usual tactic of lies and half truths, of saying "they're no worse than anybody else"...
I'm not ignoring anything, and I've stated time and time again that anyone who molests a child, and anyone who knowingly conspires to conceal that crime deserves to go to prison. The simple fact remains, however, that the entire Catholic church, and all it's members and priests and bishops are not guilt of those crimes and should not be smeared by bigots like you or Ronja merely because some small number are criminals. And I point out that even according to the report cited, the child abuse problem in the Netherlands is severe, and yet you don't care to excoriate anyone else, you have to engage your bigotry to single out just one set of pedophiles because they happen to be associated with the Catholic church. That's mindless prejudice and irrational hatred and bigotry, nothing more.Totally ignoring the fact that virtually all of the offenders were never stopped at the time, because of the deliberate and systematic cover-up by a hierarchy that wielded much more power than any youth group or scouting organisation.
Liar.Still sticking up for perverted child abusers...
It's not up to me to interfere in other people's religious practices, but if I'm going to excoriate someone for religious bigotry and manipulation it'll be you and the other bigoted Atheists who belong to the "let's bash Catholics" branch of radical Atheism... just because a little balance is in order and I'm the only one brave enough to point out your mindless hatred, bigotry and religious zealotry.Still carrying a torch for manipulative religious organisations...
Liar.Still convinced that us evil atheists are being mean to the poor old kiddie fiddlers when we bring up news stories like this one...
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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I think Seth must be missing Schneibster, he hasn't been doing his repetitive, reflex "liar" posting paroxysm for a while...
And he loves doing it so much; it's just like Peter Sellars arm rising up, compulsively, in Dr Strangelove, over and over again...
Enjoy the release...
And he loves doing it so much; it's just like Peter Sellars arm rising up, compulsively, in Dr Strangelove, over and over again...
Enjoy the release...
Nurse, where the fuck's my cardigan?
And my gin!
And my gin!
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