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Hugo Chavez has prostate cancer

Post by Lozzer » Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:19 pm

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I kinda' like that guy for his eccentricity, and his socialist principles, but I've never been able to discern whether he's a cruel bastard dictator or not. His government has enshrined the rights of Venezuelan indigenous groups, and empowered women's rights.; but on journalistic freedoms, his regime has been rather tight.
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Post by redunderthebed » Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:30 pm

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 69911.html

Venezuela's vice-president has rejected suggestions that President Hugo Chavez is gravely ill, two weeks after he underwent emergency surgery in Cuba.

Elias Jaua said on Saturday that Chavez was "recuperating to continue the battle" and would soon be ready to counter his political opponents and media speculation.

"The national and international press are rubbing their hands and rejoicing about the state of the president's health", Jaua said.

"They [the opposition] know they cannot win the elections against our commander, Hugo Chavez, so they are always waiting for a situation like this to try to overtake us".

Chavez has been in Cuba since June 8, when he arrived there on the final leg of a trip that also included Brazil and Ecuador. He was rushed into emergency surgery after suffering sharp pain diagnosed as a pelvic abscess that required immediate surgery.

The president's brother told Venezuelan state media on Wednesday that Chavez could return to Caracas in about two weeks.

The president is scheduled to host a summit of Latin American leaders on July 5.

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Chavez has not been speaking in public since he told Venezuelan state television by telephone on June 12 that he was recovering quickly after the surgery. He said medical tests showed no sign of any "malignant" illness.

Chavez is normally a regular user of the micro-blogging site Twitter, but no messages were posted to the site for 19 days until Friday, when he congratulated the armed forces on a public holiday that celebrates a key military victory over Spanish colonial forces in 1821.

Three messages also appeared within 30 minutes on Saturday afternoon, including one mentioning visits by Chavez's daughter Rosines and grandchildren.

"Ah, what happiness it is to receive this shower of love!" a Twitter message read. "God bless them!"

Opposition legislators, who control 40 per cent of Venezuela's parliament, argue that his prolonged absence means that the vice-president should replace him.

Under Venezuela's constitution, Jaua would take the president's place during "temporary" absences of up to 90 days. Jaua would serve the rest of Chavez's term if the president were to die or resign.

No clear successor

Presidential elections are due next year, and speculation about Chavez's health has prompted some to ponder what would happen if his health forced him to relinquish power.

Steve Ellner, a political science professor at Venezuela's University of the East, believes the future of Chavez's political movement would largely depend on whether he designates a successor.

"There is no second-in-command in the Chavez movement,'' Ellner said. "If Chavez is unable to endorse anyone, there will inevitably be dissension."

Ellner said the situation would be much different if Chavez threw his support behind a would-be successor.

"There is a great sense of loyalty within the Chavez movement," he said.

"If Chavez himself is unable to run for physical reasons, but endorses a given candidate, the movement will not fall apart."

While there are no obvious candidates to succeed Chavez, some observers believe the president could pick Jaua or Rafael Ramirez, Venezuela's energy minister.

Diosdado Cabello, a former army officer who joined a 1992 coup attempt led by Chavez, was once perceived as Chavez's closest confidant. But Cabello's standing seems to have faded since he lost a 2008 re-election bid as the governor of Miranda state to a prominent opposition leader.
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Post by Seth » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:20 pm

Die a painful and lingering death, Chavez.

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Post by redunderthebed » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:58 am

Seth wrote:Die a painful and lingering death, Chavez.

Death to Tyrants!
lol that is highly hypocritical. :funny:
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:44 pm

Lozzer wrote:I kinda' like that guy for his eccentricity, and his socialist principles...
Socialist principles? I wouldn't want to be a union activist in Venezuela.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:15 pm

Socialist principles in the vein of Fidel Castro, yes. “I am a revolutionary and I am also a Marxist…for the first time I assume Marxism…I assume it…the same way I assume Christianity…But Marxism is without doubt the most advanced theory…the most advanced proposal towards the world Christ came to offer us….” - H. Chavez.

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Post by Robert_S » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:19 pm

If the capitalists would treat the average worker better, then socialist and communist wouldn't get any further than small meetings on college campuses.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:33 pm

Robert_S wrote:If the capitalists would treat the average worker better, then socialist and communist wouldn't get any further than small meetings on college campuses.
That's patently not true. In the wealthiest countries of the world, we still get communist agitation and much of it comes from well-to-do folks who haven't been abused by any "capitalists" in their lives.

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Post by Robert_S » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:24 pm

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Robert_S wrote:If the capitalists would treat the average worker better, then socialist and communist wouldn't get any further than small meetings on college campuses.
That's patently not true. In the wealthiest countries of the world, we still get communist agitation and much of it comes from well-to-do folks who haven't been abused by any "capitalists" in their lives.
Hoy far does this get? Do they overthrow the government and lynch the bankers? Or are they just co-opted into more more center left movements? The last socialist meeting I went to was just some 15 - 20 kids; not a calloused hand in the room.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Orwellian » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:28 pm

Hugo Chavez IS a prostate cancer.
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Post by Cormac » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:31 pm

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I kinda' like that guy for his eccentricity, and his socialist principles, but I've never been able to discern whether he's a cruel bastard dictator or not. His government has enshrined the rights of Venezuelan indigenous groups, and empowered women's rights.; but on journalistic freedoms, his regime has been rather tight.
He is a bog-standard dictator masquerading as the saviour of the people.
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Robert_S wrote:If the capitalists would treat the average worker better, then socialist and communist wouldn't get any further than small meetings on college campuses.
Sure they would. "Capitalist" is merely a Marxist code-word for "someone who has worked hard and fared better economically than I have, and I want what they have and I'm willing to kill them and take it from them to satisfy my desire to live the high life without having to work for it."
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Post by Orwellian » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:09 pm

With all due respect, planning and executing a murder is no mean feat, at least if one wishes not to be caught.
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Post by Seth » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:11 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Robert_S wrote:If the capitalists would treat the average worker better, then socialist and communist wouldn't get any further than small meetings on college campuses.
That's patently not true. In the wealthiest countries of the world, we still get communist agitation and much of it comes from well-to-do folks who haven't been abused by any "capitalists" in their lives.
Hoy far does this get? Do they overthrow the government and lynch the bankers? Or are they just co-opted into more more center left movements? The last socialist meeting I went to was just some 15 - 20 kids; not a calloused hand in the room.
Yup, dilettante pseudo-intellectual college students who don't understand the value of self-ownership and hard work because they've been given virtually everything they've ever had and they are mad at mommy and daddy for demanding that they actually apply them selves in school rather than allowing them to party and smoke pot. Such mindlessness is very susceptible to the propaganda of Marxism.
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Post by Seth » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:14 pm

Orwellian wrote:With all due respect, planning and executing a murder is no mean feat, at least if one wishes not to be caught.
The theory of Marxist murder is that in the orgy of violence associated with the violent overthrow of the established capitalist order, murder will be done by the mob, and it will be viewed as a victory for Marxist principles and therefore not murder in the eyes of the seething proletarian masses.

After all, Stalin never faced the executioner for his mass murders.

Of course, some Marxist murderers, like William Ayers and Bernadine Dhorn, have managed to escape justice, but that's just poor police work.

The victors, after all, write the history.
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