You Don't Bring Super Sonic Missiles to a Gun Fight

[Don't Panic]

Zilla or Ian, development of new vessels in the navy, from deciding there is a need for the class of vessel to it entering service, how long?

I will take a very charitable guess at 10-15 years.

Depends. The escort carriers in WWII came in like stripedy-ass apes. Brit design, of course, but we perfected it. The Ayatolah Class destroyers were about ten years in the making, start to finish.

Arleigh Burke class were 11 years, They've been working on development of the Zumwalt class since '94, 17 years.

So, hovercraft by 2025 anyone?

The American military already have ocean going hovercraft used for landings. Use those designs. Sheesh, am I the only one capable of doing something without taking decades?

ocean going =/= used for landings

You want to take a landing craft on an ocean cruise? I would pay good money to watch that.

[Ian]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Yep, you got me there!
I suppose 100,000-ton carriers are useless since they can be taken out by an ICBM. And when was the last time that happened?

[Don't Panic]

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Fuck it, that's going in my sig.

[Gawd]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

I was leading a group of "Tiger Cruise" guests (people out for a short cruise on a warship) around the flight deck of USS Peleliu one time and somebody asked me about the big number on the deck.

"In peacetime that's to let the helos know which ship they're about to land on."

"In peacetime? What about in wartime?"

"In wartime they'd be removed."

"How?"

"They'd be burned off by a nuclear fireball most probably."

[Ian]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

And you went to which war college?

Gawd, I want to thank you for this afternoon's discussion. It's hilarious!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

You are looking stupider every time you post. You don't learn, do you?

[Gawd]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Yep, you got me there!
I suppose 100,000-ton carriers are useless since they can be taken out by an ICBM. And when was the last time that happened?

Get in a war with North Korea and find out.

[Don't Panic]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

Yes, because ICBMs are a viable tactical strike weapon.

Nuclear tipped cruise missiles are the weapon of choice for carrier strikes Gawd, ICBMs aren't good for fast moving targets.

[Gawd]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

And you went to which war college?

Gawd, I want to thank you for this afternoon's discussion. It's hilarious!

Ian, I will take you on anytime and where with my 11 ICBM's versus your 11 aircraft carriers.

[Gawd]

The Zumwalt-class has been re-designed I don't know how many times. And its funding has been cut down to only two or three ships - definitely the right call, IMO.

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

Yes, because ICBMs are a viable tactical strike weapon.

Nuclear tipped cruise missiles are the weapon of choice for carrier strikes Gawd, ICBMs aren't good for fast moving targets.

Even a "nuclear tipped" ICBM?

[Don't Panic]

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

And you went to which war college?

Gawd, I want to thank you for this afternoon's discussion. It's hilarious!

Ian, I will take you on anytime and where with my 11 ICBM's versus your 11 aircraft carriers.

So when you are programming the target for your warhead, prior to launch, since these are ballistic missiles, they are only in powered flight during the boost phase, how will you know which direction the carrier will move in the 40 minutes it takes for your ICBM to get there?

[Don't Panic]

And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.

Gawd, the list of things that can't be taken out by an ICBM is fairly short.

That's why you don't build single humongo carriers. You instead build mid-sized ships in larger numbers and spread them out so that an ICBM taking out one does not wipe out an entire fleet.

Yes, because ICBMs are a viable tactical strike weapon.

Nuclear tipped cruise missiles are the weapon of choice for carrier strikes Gawd, ICBMs aren't good for fast moving targets.

Even a "nuclear tipped" ICBM?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Why the fuck would you put anything other than nuclear warheads on an ICBM? A MIRV bus with 8 warheads gets you the most bang for your buck.

[Don't Panic]

Think I found Gawds source material: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/03 ... es+2%29%29

Those aren't ICBMs Gawd.

[Gawd]

So when you are programming the target for your warhead, prior to launch, since these are ballistic missiles, they are only in powered flight during the boost phase, how will you know which direction the carrier will move in the 40 minutes it takes for your ICBM to get there?

Simple mathematics and probability that if you are in motion, you stay in motion. Put a fat ass bomb on the ICBM and it won't matter.