You think you're smart, do you?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Two-year-old girl becomes youngest-ever Mensa member

Posted: April 30, 2009, 2:12 PM by Scott Maniquet

LONDON, England -- A two-year-old girl with an IQ just below that of Albert Einstein has become the youngest-ever member of Mensa, the high-intelligence society said Thursday.

Elise Tan Roberts started talking at five months, walking at eight and can now name 35 capital cities, recite the alphabet and name all different types of triangle, according to the Daily Mirror.

The BBC has a video of Elise in action here.

“She just says things and you have no idea where she got it from,” her 28-year-old mother Louise told the paper. “I don’t set out to teach her loads of stuff, she just enjoys learning and picks things up.

“She’s always on the go, she never stops,” she added.

Mensa confirmed that at the age of 845 days -- two years and four months -- she was the youngest ever member, beating Ben Woods, who joined Mensa aged 1,035 days in the 1990s.

The youngest girl to make it into the society -- for people whose intelligence is in the top two percent of the population -- was Georgia Brown who joined Mesa in 2007 aged 1,041 days.

The two-year-old’s IQ of 156 was assessed using a standard Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale test, putting her in the top 0.2 percent of her age group.

Einstein, the father of relativity, had an IQ of 160.

- Agence France-Presse

[Chinaski]

Holy shit.

[FBM]

Yeah, these cases just amaze me. This guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ung-Yong went on to get a Ph.D in physics in the States in his teens, then came back to Korea, got another one in civil engineering, and is now teaching at Chungbuk National University, where I taught for about 9 years. I didn't even find out about him until I'd already left that univ. and came here, though. I'd like to have met him.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Anyone silly enough to pay the Mensa subscription fees should be banned from entry by definition!

[Feck]

The S-B IQ tests are probably not a good measure of a young childs potential intellegence .Really high scores just show how a child compares to others of their age .If a child develops early and is encouraged to read and write at a very young age then high scores will result . Your IQ should not change
as you age but high scores in young children so what ,they are just a few months ahead of the rest of the class .

The Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity, or BITCH-100, is an intelligence test created by Robert Williams in 1972 oriented toward the language, attitudes, and life-styles of African Americans. White students perform more poorly on this test than blacks, suggesting that there are important dissimilarities in the cultural backgrounds of blacks and whites.[1][2] Some argue that these findings indicate that test bias plays a role in producing the gaps in IQ test scores.[3] Similarly to the Williams test, the Chitling Intelligence Test [4] is another example of a culturally biased test that tends to favor African Americans.[5] Both of these tests demonstrate how cultural content on intelligence tests may lead to culturally biased score results. Still these criticisms of cultural content may not apply to "culture free" tests of intelligence. The BITCH-100 and the Chitling test both have explicit cultural assumptions, while normal standardized tests are only theorized to have implicit bias. The fact that a test can have bias does not necessarily prove that a specific test does have bias. However, even on cultural free tests, test bias may play a role since, due to their cultural backgrounds, some test takers do not have the familiarity with the language and culture of the psychological and educational tests that is implicitly assumed in the assessment procedure

I've done the bitch test and my "IQ" was 70 i did the S-B one aged 5 and got 156 and there is no way I would get that today .
IQ test just show you how good you are at IQ tests and not much else.

[Beelzebub2]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

[Existentialist1844]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

I read about Sidis many years ago- had a mental breakdown, died mid 40's, failed to create a single achievement, was unfulfilled, unhappy and unemployed. Most likely due to his upbringing.

[Beelzebub2]

Mental breakdown happened after some professor told reporters that he would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century. From that moment on, reporters followed his every move. He became aloof and secluded and a pinnacle was that alleged breakdown.

A few months later, he was back at Harvard, graduated cum laude at the age of sixteen.

In 1918, he began teaching mathematics at Rice University in Texas. The annoyance of constant media attention finally took its toll. Quitting his teaching post, after a notorious arrest at a socialist march, he disappeared from public eye.

Several articles and a book have been written about Sidis. All of them point to Boris Sidis as the misguided mastermind behind Willie's fall. Boris Sidis, the writers argue, by depriving the boy of a "normal" childhood, turned him into a freak, incapable of ever fitting comfortably into society. He certainly was depraved of a regular childhood, and it is true that the father's concentration on academics to the complete neglect of play and friends for the boy was wrong and unhealthy by any standards. However, the boy had a prodigious capacity to begin with.

Beside the usual Wiki article there's a good article about him here and an article from a bit different angle here.

[Feck]

BEST TYPO EVER >>>>>"He certainly was depraved of a regular childhood,"

[Existentialist1844]

Mental breakdown happened after some professor told reporters that he would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century. From that moment on, reporters followed his every move. He became aloof and secluded and a pinnacle was that alleged breakdown.

A few months later, he was back at Harvard, graduated cum laude at the age of sixteen.

In 1918, he began teaching mathematics at Rice University in Texas. The annoyance of constant media attention finally took its toll. Quitting his teaching post, after a notorious arrest at a socialist march, he disappeared from public eye.

Several articles and a book have been written about Sidis. All of them point to Boris Sidis as the misguided mastermind behind Willie's fall. Boris Sidis, the writers argue, by depriving the boy of a "normal" childhood, turned him into a freak, incapable of ever fitting comfortably into society. He certainly was depraved of a regular childhood, and it is true that the father's concentration on academics to the complete neglect of play and friends for the boy was wrong and unhealthy by any standards. However, the boy had a prodigious capacity to begin with.

Beside the usual Wiki article there's a good article about him here and an article from a bit different angle here.

It all comes back to resiliency (psychological resiliency, ego resiliency). I read that Sidis was not taught how to be independent, resourceful, and lacked the proper guidance from his parents. He could not dress himself or keep himself clean until late adolescence. Im sure one reason he was not able to handle media pressure was due to his lack of resiliency, which was the product of being pampered his whole life. Children need to be independent to a certain extent in order to develope the proper level of ego resiliency and coping mechanisms.

Damn, and I promised myself I wouldnt engage in anymore serious discussion.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Mental breakdown happened after some professor told reporters that he would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century. From that moment on, reporters followed his every move. He became aloof and secluded and a pinnacle was that alleged breakdown.

A few months later, he was back at Harvard, graduated cum laude at the age of sixteen.

In 1918, he began teaching mathematics at Rice University in Texas. The annoyance of constant media attention finally took its toll. Quitting his teaching post, after a notorious arrest at a socialist march, he disappeared from public eye.

Several articles and a book have been written about Sidis. All of them point to Boris Sidis as the misguided mastermind behind Willie's fall. Boris Sidis, the writers argue, by depriving the boy of a "normal" childhood, turned him into a freak, incapable of ever fitting comfortably into society. He certainly was depraved of a regular childhood, and it is true that the father's concentration on academics to the complete neglect of play and friends for the boy was wrong and unhealthy by any standards. However, the boy had a prodigious capacity to begin with.

Beside the usual Wiki article there's a good article about him here and an article from a bit different angle here.

It all comes back to resiliency (psychological resiliency, ego resiliency). I read that Sidis was not taught how to be independent, resourceful, and lacked the proper guidance from his parents. He could not dress himself or keep himself clean until late adolescence. Im sure one reason he was not able to handle media pressure was due to his lack of resiliency, which was the product of being pampered his whole life. Children need to be independent to a certain extent in order to develope the proper level of ego resiliency and coping mechanisms.

Damn, and I promised myself I wouldnt engage in anymore serious discussion.

HA-HA

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[al-rawandi]

Bill Gates allegedly has an IQ of about 160, but judging by his performance on United States v. Microsoft trial, his EQ, and SQ is of a five year old.

One of the brightest (documented) people ever was William James Sidis, who excelled on many areas of knowledge (especially linguistics and mathematics) and whose estimated IQ was between 250-300. His father taught psychology at Harvard and was considered one of the foremost psychologists of his day. He argued that traditional approaches to child-rearing obstructed the learning process. The elder Sidis was determined not to make the same mistake with his son.

He started by stringing words together with alphabet blocks above the child's crib. He eschewed the usual "googley-goo" baby-talk that adults lapse into around infants, speaking instead to the child in the same way he would speak to an adult. If the boy showed any interest in a subject, Boris encouraged his curiosity and study.

The effect of all this on the boy was astounding. By the time he was two, William was reading literature meant for adults; by age four he was typing letters in French and English; at age five he wrote a treatise on anatomy and dazzled everyone with a mathematical expertise few adults could match.

William Sidis graduated from Brookline High School when he was eight years old. When he applied at Harvard, the entrance board suggested he take a few off to let his personality catch up with his intellect. Willie spent the time between high school and college reading books in French, German, Latin, Greek, Russian, Turkish and Armenian.

The boy entered Harvard at age eleven, becoming the youngest student ever to attend the school. Later that year he gave a speech in front of the Harvard Mathematical Society 0n the subject of "Four-Dimensional Bodies." After the speech, one of the professors told reporters that the boy would someday be the greatest mathematician of the century, which of course he didn't - he couldn't stand constant publicity that followed him everywhere, he vanished from public eye, and after a series of manual jobs he died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the age of 46.

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

What IQ tests fail to measure is social IQ. The ability to function well socially, pick up cues etc... This factor, which is unmeasured, is one of the greatest components of success.

[al-rawandi]

The S-B IQ tests are probably not a good measure of a young childs potential intellegence .Really high scores just show how a child compares to others of their age .If a child develops early and is encouraged to read and write at a very young age then high scores will result . Your IQ should not change
as you age but high scores in young children so what ,they are just a few months ahead of the rest of the class .

The Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity, or BITCH-100, is an intelligence test created by Robert Williams in 1972 oriented toward the language, attitudes, and life-styles of African Americans. White students perform more poorly on this test than blacks, suggesting that there are important dissimilarities in the cultural backgrounds of blacks and whites.[1][2] Some argue that these findings indicate that test bias plays a role in producing the gaps in IQ test scores.[3] Similarly to the Williams test, the Chitling Intelligence Test [4] is another example of a culturally biased test that tends to favor African Americans.[5] Both of these tests demonstrate how cultural content on intelligence tests may lead to culturally biased score results. Still these criticisms of cultural content may not apply to "culture free" tests of intelligence. The BITCH-100 and the Chitling test both have explicit cultural assumptions, while normal standardized tests are only theorized to have implicit bias. The fact that a test can have bias does not necessarily prove that a specific test do. es have bias. However, even on cultural free tests, test bias may play a role since, due to their cultural backgrounds, some test takers do not have the familiarity with the language and culture of the psychological and educational tests that is implicitly assumed in the assessment procedure

I've done the bitch test and my "IQ" was 70 i did the S-B one aged 5 and got 156 and there is no way I would get that today .
IQ test just show you how good you are at IQ tests and not much else.

The BITCH test certainly shatters the findings of "The Bell Curve". And you are correct, IQ tests are virtually meaningless in my opinion, if you have ADD like I do, you simply cannot sit through a test, and every passing bird catches your attention. This makes for poor test takings skills, but doesn't mean one is an idiot. Culture plays such a huge roll in these tests... in Australia a researcher attempted to give an IQ test to Aborigines, when the test began for the first man, he got to a difficult question at which point the entire tribe came over to help him solve it. Problems for them were things to be solved by collective effort, an individuals limitations weren't a concern, the collective intellect of the tribe was valuable to them.

So when someone tells me they have a genius baby, I say good luck raising a fucking awkward loser who will lead an unfulfilled life of resentment and loneliness as the story below exemplifies. Meaningful lives seem to be derived from the ability to interact with other humans in a positive manner.

Anyway my $0.02

[Bella Fortuna]

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

Kind of an idiot Savant, then?

[Beelzebub2]

Today person with the highest estimated IQ is Marilyn vos Savant - IQ of 167+, 180, 195, 215, and 230 depending on the standard deviations of the tests. I read some of her on-line columns and they were not particularly impressive.

Kind of an idiot Savant, then?

No, that's just accidentally her last name as she was actually born Marilyn Mach to Joseph Mach and Marina vos Savant, (immigrants from Germany and Italy). She took her mother's surname as her own.

Here's a wiki article about her.

Incidentally word "savant" means both "a learned person", "a scholar" and "an idiot savant".