Will the US collapse economically?

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Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:55 pm

The United States and the welfare of its 300 million people cannot be restored unless the neocons, Wall Street, the corporations, and their servile slaves in Congress and the White House can be defeated.
Without a revolution, Americans are history.
As John Williams (shadowstats.com) has made clear on many occasions, an appearance of recovery was created by over-counting employment and undercounting inflation. Warnings by Williams, Gerald Celente, and myself have gone unheeded, but our warnings recently had echoes from Boston University professor Laurence Kotlikoff and from David Stockman, who excoriated the Republican Party for becoming big-spending Democrats.
It is encouraging to see some realization that, this time, Washington cannot spend the economy out of recession. The deficits are already too large for the dollar to survive as reserve currency, and deficit spending cannot put Americans back to work in jobs that have been moved offshore.
The last Bush budget deficit (2008) was in the $400-500 billion range, about the size of the Chinese, Japanese, and OPEC trade surpluses with the US. Traditionally, these trade surpluses have been recycled to the US and finance the federal budget deficit. In 2009 and 2010 the federal deficit jumped to $1,400 billion, a back-to-back trillion dollar increase. There are not sufficient trade surpluses to finance a deficit this large. From where comes the money?
The answer is from individuals fleeing the stock market into “safe” Treasury bonds and from the bankster bailout, not so much the TARP money as the Federal Reserve’s exchange of bank reserves for questionable financial paper such as subprime derivatives. The banks used their excess reserves to purchase Treasury debt.
These financing maneuvers are one-time tricks. Once people have fled stocks, that movement into Treasuries is over. The opposition to the bankster bailout likely precludes another. So where does the money come from the next time?
The Treasury was able to unload a lot of debt thanks to “the Greek crisis,” which the New York banksters and hedge funds multiplied into “the euro crisis.” The financial press served as a financing arm for the US Treasury by creating panic about European debt and the euro. Central banks and individuals who had taken refuge from the dollar in euros were panicked out of their euros, and they rushed into dollars by purchasing US Treasury debt.
When Treasury bonds brought to auction do not sell, the Federal Reserve must purchase them. The Federal Reserve purchases the bonds by creating new demand deposits, or checking accounts, for the Treasury. As the Treasury spends the proceeds of the new debt sales, the US money supply expands by the amount of the Federal Reserve’s purchase of Treasury debt.
Do goods and services expand by the same amount? Imports will increase as US jobs have been offshored and given to foreigners, thus worsening the trade deficit. When the Federal Reserve purchases the Treasury’s new debt issues, the money supply will increase by more than the supply of domestically produced goods and services. Prices are likely to rise.
How high will they rise? The longer money is created in order that government can pay its bills, the more likely hyperinflation will be the result.
The economy has not recovered. By the end of this year it will be obvious that the collapsing economy means a larger than $1.4 trillion budget deficit to finance. Will it be $2 trillion? Higher?
Whatever the size, the rest of the world will see that the dollar is being printed in such quantities that it cannot serve as reserve currency. At that point wholesale dumping of dollars will result as foreign central banks try to unload a worthless currency.
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:44 pm

Of course it will, with enough time. Every economy collapses at some point.
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:46 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:Of course it will, with enough time. Every economy collapses at some point.
In the near future?

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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by PsychoSerenity » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:48 pm

Tomorrow afternoon. :tea:
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by RuleBritannia » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:16 pm

All economies depend on infinate perpetual growth. Clearly an unsustainable situation.
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Post by Jay G » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:16 pm

Yes
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:16 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Of course it will, with enough time. Every economy collapses at some point.
In the near future?
Could be tomorrow, could be a week, could be fifty years. Who knows?
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by devogue » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:21 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Of course it will, with enough time. Every economy collapses at some point.
In the near future?
Could be tomorrow, could be a week, could be fifty years. Who knows?
Uri Geller.

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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Jay G » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:23 pm

devogue wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Of course it will, with enough time. Every economy collapses at some point.
In the near future?
Could be tomorrow, could be a week, could be fifty years. Who knows?
Uri Geller.

I know and I'm not going to tell.
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:23 pm

Incisive commentary.

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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:30 pm

devogue wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Of course it will, with enough time. Every economy collapses at some point.
In the near future?
Could be tomorrow, could be a week, could be fifty years. Who knows?
Uri Geller.
Uri Geller is walking testicle.
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by sandinista » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:36 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:All economies depend on infinate perpetual growth. Clearly an unsustainable situation.
all capitalist economies, and yes, it will collapse and be replaced by something else. All empires fall.
Our struggle is not against actual corrupt individuals, but against those in power in general, against their authority, against the global order and the ideological mystification which sustains it.

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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:40 pm

Not communism, too open to fascism and inevitably collapses when its victims rise up against state oppression.
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by RuleBritannia » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:46 pm

Not capitalism, too open to fascism and inevitably collapses when its victims rise up against state oppression.
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Re: Will the US collapse economically?

Post by Trolldor » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:48 pm

Hard to replace collapsed capitalism with more capitalism.

Bit like rubbing a sword in to a stab wound.
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