U.S. passes "historic" healthcare bill

[Twoflower]

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/26687/Dem ... mmary.html

[Martok]

Is Costa Rica about to gain one giant fat tub of goo as a new citizen?

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/09/lim ... alth-care/

[Valden]

Is Costa Rica about to gain one giant fat tub of goo as a new citizen?

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/09/lim ... alth-care/

I'm glad the reform has passed.

[Trolldor]

Fucking Scumbags.
"NO! We don't want Americans covered or able to afford basic healthcare until we get what we want! Waa waa!"

[kiki5711]

Well good bye Rush! you have a nasty opinionated big mouth.

[Rum]

Obama rules!

Well he does actually doesn't he?

[Wumbologist]

Shame about the public option, but some healthcare reform is better than none.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Shame about the public option, but some healthcare reform is better than none.

"Sorry, but that bill has flaws. So we can't vote for it. Give us a perfect bill and we'll gladly vote for it. We'll wait right here until you come up with one. What? Help find one? That's a trap, isn't it?"

[Coito ergo sum]

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/26687/Dem ... mmary.html

Remember everyone, this plan was sold and billed as a vehicle to provide health insurance for all and that:

Health care will be more affordable than it is now as a result of this plan.
It will be budget neutral (at least), and would likely reduce the deficit.

Obama stated as follows: “I Will Not Sign a Healthcare Bill That Raises The Deficit by One Dime…Not One Dime!”

Opponents of the bill are adamant that health insurance will not be more affordable, and that it will raise the deficit. Even the CBO analysis based on these faulty assumptions concludes that in 2019 alone taxes will be $100 billion higher and spending will be increased by $200 billion.

Most of the proponents that I've seen say they believe that the deficit will be reduced and health insurance will be cheaper. I am fairly sure, however, that proponents don't really care if the deficit goes up or if health insurance is more expensive.

[Coito ergo sum]

Shame about the public option, but some healthcare reform is better than none.

"Sorry, but that bill has flaws. So we can't vote for it. Give us a perfect bill and we'll gladly vote for it. We'll wait right here until you come up with one. What? Help find one? That's a trap, isn't it?"

I'd settle for one that met Obama's criteria for a bill:

1. Paid for
2. Did not raise the deficit
3. Make health insurance more affordable
4. Lower health care costs

This reform is not paid for, will raise the deficit, will not make health insurance more affordable, and will not lower health care costs.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Shame about the public option, but some healthcare reform is better than none.

"Sorry, but that bill has flaws. So we can't vote for it. Give us a perfect bill and we'll gladly vote for it. We'll wait right here until you come up with one. What? Help find one? That's a trap, isn't it?"

I'd settle for one that met Obama's criteria for a bill:

1. Paid for
2. Did not raise the deficit
3. Make health insurance more affordable
4. Lower health care costs

This reform is not paid for, will raise the deficit, will not make health insurance more affordable, and will not lower health care costs.

I'll give it a chance to work. We can see what isn't working and fix those parts.

[Theophilus]

It's great to see the US onboard with greater access to healthcare for those who cannot easily afford insurance.

Of course they now have to join us in Europe figuring out how to deal with an aging population that will put greater demand on the healthcare system than the system can deliver (who will be the first politician to publicly admit that healthcare rationing is necessary?). But it's great that the US will be putting more brains and more technology development into working out how to continually deliver more healthcare for less money. Let those who say it can't be done make way for those that are doing it. 'Nuff respect for Mr O.

[Coito ergo sum]

Shame about the public option, but some healthcare reform is better than none.

"Sorry, but that bill has flaws. So we can't vote for it. Give us a perfect bill and we'll gladly vote for it. We'll wait right here until you come up with one. What? Help find one? That's a trap, isn't it?"

I'd settle for one that met Obama's criteria for a bill:

1. Paid for
2. Did not raise the deficit
3. Make health insurance more affordable
4. Lower health care costs

This reform is not paid for, will raise the deficit, will not make health insurance more affordable, and will not lower health care costs.

I'll give it a chance to work. We can see what isn't working and fix those parts.

Anyone making over $35,000 a year is going to get royally fucked by these provisions when they take effect, and anyone making over $43,000 a year takes it in the ass with no grease (and not even a kiss on the cheek afterwards).

Remember - anyone making $43,000 a year is required to buy health insurance (after this takes effect) and is required to pay "cost sharing" and will not receive one dime of "government assistance." That amount is estimated, by the CBO based on the Democrat's own numbers, to be around $7,600 a year for a single person making over $43,000 a year. That's about 15% of gross income, mandatory, and no assistance. Given that the CBO numbers are based on the rosy estimates the Democrats needed to make their bill "budget neutral" (lol), does anyone think that that's a low estimate? Right now, a single person in Florida can get an o.k. policy for as low as $200 a month or even less sometimes ($2400 a year) - that option is going away with this health care reform.

People making $35,00 to $43,000 will get some subsidies to help them, but they still will pay around 15% of their gross (at least) to buy mandatory health insurance.

If you have employer provided health insurance, you can bet that your portion of the health insurance premiums will be increased by your employer. That's because of all the added payroll and other taxes on employers. You will also be taxed on the health insurance provided by employers that you don't pay for (it'll be considered income). Also, the premiums themselves will be going up because of all the added coverages required to be provided under the policies.

Why do you think they delayed the implementation of this until 2014? What possible reason would they have to do that?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

[Twoflower]

Shame about the public option, but some healthcare reform is better than none.

"Sorry, but that bill has flaws. So we can't vote for it. Give us a perfect bill and we'll gladly vote for it. We'll wait right here until you come up with one. What? Help find one? That's a trap, isn't it?"

I'd settle for one that met Obama's criteria for a bill:

1. Paid for
2. Did not raise the deficit
3. Make health insurance more affordable
4. Lower health care costs

This reform is not paid for, will raise the deficit, will not make health insurance more affordable, and will not lower health care costs.

I'll give it a chance to work. We can see what isn't working and fix those parts.

Anyone making over $35,000 a year is going to get royally fucked by these provisions when they take effect, and anyone making over $43,000 a year takes it in the ass with no grease (and not even a kiss on the cheek afterwards).

Remember - anyone making $43,000 a year is required to buy health insurance (after this takes effect) and is required to pay "cost sharing" and will not receive one dime of "government assistance." That amount is estimated, by the CBO based on the Democrat's own numbers, to be around $7,600 a year for a single person making over $43,000 a year. That's about 15% of gross income, mandatory, and no assistance. Given that the CBO numbers are based on the rosy estimates the Democrats needed to make their bill "budget neutral" (lol), does anyone think that that's a low estimate? Right now, a single person in Florida can get an o.k. policy for as low as $200 a month or even less sometimes ($2400 a year) - that option is going away with this health care reform.

People making $35,00 to $43,000 will get some subsidies to help them, but they still will pay around 15% of their gross (at least) to buy mandatory health insurance.

If you have employer provided health insurance, you can bet that your portion of the health insurance premiums will be increased by your employer. That's because of all the added payroll and other taxes on employers. You will also be taxed on the health insurance provided by employers that you don't pay for (it'll be considered income). Also, the premiums themselves will be going up because of all the added coverages required to be provided under the policies.

Why do you think they delayed the implementation of this until 2014? What possible reason would they have to do that?

Well my entire family is screwed.