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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tero » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:42 am

Trump lies. Who cares? Not his fans
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Post by Tero » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:08 am

Trump added an inch to avoid obese label:

Donald Trump’s personal physician, Harold Bornstein, revealed on Thursday that the Republican nominee is 6’3″ and weighs 236 pounds. According to the National Institutes of Health’s Body Mass Index calculator, Trump’s BMI is 29.5, or, technically, overweight. That’s not great, and both Dr. Oz and Trump himself think he could stand to lose a few pounds, but it could be worse: Trump could technically be obese.

Or maybe … he already is! Trump’s height has long been thought to be 6’2″.
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by DaveDodo007 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:08 am

Tero wrote:Trump lies. Who cares? Not his fans
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For arguments sake lets say Trump lied, he lied as a civilian as apposed to Hillary lying in office and a paid for member of the government. Surely you can see the difference?
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tero » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:18 am

Hillary's foundation donations and "seeing the secretary" does not amount to lies. Trumps deceitful business practices made Trump millions at my expense as taxpayer. I am not aware of Hillaries explanations about this and that costing me anything.

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Post by DaveDodo007 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:20 am

Tero wrote:Trump added an inch to avoid obese label:

Donald Trump’s personal physician, Harold Bornstein, revealed on Thursday that the Republican nominee is 6’3″ and weighs 236 pounds. According to the National Institutes of Health’s Body Mass Index calculator, Trump’s BMI is 29.5, or, technically, overweight. That’s not great, and both Dr. Oz and Trump himself think he could stand to lose a few pounds, but it could be worse: Trump could technically be obese.

Or maybe … he already is! Trump’s height has long been thought to be 6’2″.
Trump is not fainting or having seizures. He is bouncing around the country holding rallies and press conferences and meeting people. He has even admitted he could do with losing a few pounds. Hillary on the other hand goes missing for days or weeks at a time. No press conferences (don't the American public deserve to get to hear from their presidential elect?) She is fine with doing fund raisers and talking to the elite. She still loses it with even the limited press access, she has parkinson's disease and she doesn't get to deny it since she has lied to to public so often. Medical records or GTFO.
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by DaveDodo007 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:26 am

Tero wrote:Hillary's foundation donations and "seeing the secretary" does not amount to lies. Trumps deceitful business practices made Trump millions at my expense as taxpayer. I am not aware of Hillaries explanations about this and that costing me anything.
Ho do fuck off 'cough' pay for play and name me anybody who has benefitted for their charity 'cough' slush fund (lol, don't even get me started on the aids bullshit as I will blow you out the water). The Clintons have never been out of politics (not that high paying job all things considered) and yet they are billionaires so what are they selling except influence and corruption.
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tero » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:38 am

Because the foundation is not personal gain.

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Post by Galaxian » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:22 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:
Tero wrote:Trump lies. Who cares? Not his fans
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For arguments sake lets say Trump lied, he lied as a civilian as apposed to Hillary lying in office and a paid for member of the government. Surely you can see the difference?
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Yes, there are people who can't analyze their own thoughts. They are bigots, no amount of evidence will sway them; they have their beliefs (religious or otherwise) and they will not debate their beliefs.

Yes Trump has lied, Killery has lied, we have all lied to different degrees. But this is the difference:

Hillery Clinton is a proven MASS MURDERER, A WAR CRIMINAL. No matter how bad Trump is, he just can't match her demagoguery. Blood-soaked Clinton is in a league of her own in Satanic criminality :lou:
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tero » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:36 am

Bush is a war criminal. Weapons of mass destruction lie. Not in jail. Hillary made goofy lies about an eager diplomat that volunteered to go work in Benghazi.

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Post by Animavore » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:12 pm

Looks like the woman who Trump raped as a child 20 years-ago has dropped her lawsuit, and has filed a new one, adding another witness.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/woman- ... w-witness/

But let's talk about Hillary having a case of the sniffles.
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Post by Galaxian » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:21 pm

Animavore wrote:Looks like the woman who Trump raped as a child 20 years-ago has dropped her lawsuit, and has filed a new one, adding another witness.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/woman- ... w-witness/
But let's talk about Hillary having a case of the sniffles.
It's called the Statute of Limitations: You should not bring a rape case till at least 20 years after the event :devil:
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tero » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:26 pm

Trump just wants to be president! Just once! Whatever it takes! He does not lie! (he just forgets what he promised, and it’s all policy detail)
Otherwise he is taking his toys and moving to a sandbox he has built for just himself.

1. Build a wall, deport all undocumented immigrants.
Trump's campaign began with a promise to build a wall across the United States' southern border and deport the country's 11 million undocumented immigrant.
2. Deport all undocumented immigrants but bring the 'good' ones back legally.
5. Trump might be flexible on actually deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants.

6. Deport undocumented immigrants, but don't call it "mass deportations."

7. "I'm gonna do the same" as past presidents.


9. "There's no amnesty" but "we work with them."

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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Forty Two » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:32 pm

Tero wrote:Hillary's foundation donations and "seeing the secretary" does not amount to lies. Trumps deceitful business practices made Trump millions at my expense as taxpayer. I am not aware of Hillaries explanations about this and that costing me anything.
Oh, well, you'll have to specify the lies. Generalizing with "deceitful business practices" tells us nothing more than generalizing about Hillary's deceitful practices in government. WHAT deceitful practices are you referring to which are "lies."
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Forty Two » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:51 pm

Animavore wrote:Looks like the woman who Trump raped as a child 20 years-ago has dropped her lawsuit, and has filed a new one, adding another witness.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/woman- ... w-witness/

But let's talk about Hillary having a case of the sniffles.
Jezebel, who has led an intense investigated of the accusations, notes that the initial lawsuit was filed in California but was dismissed. The attorney in the case has been identified as Thomas Meagher but another man, identified as “Al Taylor” has also been helping Johnson with the case. He’s a former reality TV producer that The Guardian indicated might actually be former Jerry Springer producer Norm Lubow. Guests often accused Lubow of “staging fights” and “encouraging them to fabricate” their stories
...seems legit...
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According to Johnson’s attorney, “The plaintiff and her counsel in Jane Doe v. Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein (SDNY 1:16-CV-04642) filed today a Notice of Voluntary Dismissal pursuant to F.R.C.P. 41(a)(1)(A)(i) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, without prejudice to refiling the complaint,” he wrote in a statement. “An additional witness has been identified and her declaration will accompany the new complaint.”
This is odd, as you normally don't have to file a new case just because you identify a new witness. The dismissed case was just filed a few months ago. There is no way that they couldn't simply continue the case with the new \witness. Federal lawsuits don't move that fast. After you serve process, the defendant gets time to respond, the attorneys meet for a conference on discovery and scheduling, then the court enters a scheduling order and the case proceeds from there. There would normally be at least 6 months of discovery, usually more, and then a motion cut-off date, followed by a pretrial hearing and dates for exchanging witness lists later. They wouldn't even have to have identified all their witnesses yet, and if they found a new one they could amend their "initial disclosures" to include the new witness.

So there was a California case, dismissed. There was a NY case this year, dismissed. And, so now there is no case, but there is some sort of threat that a new case will be filed. Sounds persuasive.

Three women have come forward to accuse Trump of sexual assault. They all deserve attention. However, sexual assault is a crime, and they should, of course, report it to the police, and if they choose to bring suit, then they ought to do it. If there is evidence to support their claims then throw the book at him, and if he's raping young girls, that's a big issue and I wouldn't vote for him. There is clearly a motive to sully his name, and the people involved in the suit are not exactly pillars of society. We can't take their word for it, and the allegations are 20 years old. What are we to do?

Like, as an aside, Bill Clinton took 26 trips on the "Lolita Express" an airplane owned by Jeffrey Epstein, ditching his secret service detail on at least five of the flights. A former Epstein underage girl named Virginia Roberts has said she saw Bill Clinton on "orgy island" in the US Virgin Islands with Jeffrey Epstein and young girls recruited for sex. These are allegations that are almost 15 years old, as are the rape and sexual assault allegations against Clinton. What are we to do with that information?
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:20 pm

Tero wrote:Bush is a war criminal. Weapons of mass destruction lie. Not in jail. Hillary made goofy lies about an eager diplomat that volunteered to go work in Benghazi.
And Obama and Hillary are even bigger war criminals. Their failed Arab Spring coups caused even a bigger death toll and the largest refugee crisis since WWII.
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