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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by Warren Dew » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:25 pm

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Seth wrote:They have a serious money-making tourist venue they are ignoring. I'd pay money to be allowed to take my silenced Colt M4, IR laser, thermal sight and dual PVS-14s to Detroit and sneak around in the dark whacking feral *****. It'd be just as much fun as whacking feral ***** in Texas, but you'd get some good urban combat movement training in at the same time.
Hey, I just thought of a way to get Seth visited by the FBI :hehe:
That is the sort of post a responsible Forum admin should report, given there's both a threat to kill and so forth.
Seth's original post, or Tyrannical's post modifying what Seth said?

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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:32 pm

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Tyrannical wrote:
Seth wrote:They have a serious money-making tourist venue they are ignoring. I'd pay money to be allowed to take my silenced Colt M4, IR laser, thermal sight and dual PVS-14s to Detroit and sneak around in the dark whacking feral *****. It'd be just as much fun as whacking feral ***** in Texas, but you'd get some good urban combat movement training in at the same time.
Hey, I just thought of a way to get Seth visited by the FBI :hehe:
That is the sort of post a responsible Forum admin should report, given there's both a threat to kill and so forth. A gun nut goes berserk and Seth stops posting....ten peoples lives cut short....because good folk tend to treat everything a joke around here. Not that I'm worried, much, not my country. :read:
Which post? My post, which did not use the racial epithets and was referring to feral dogs and feral hogs, or the one which despicably edited my words to make it appear as if I'm a racist?
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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by piscator » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:47 pm

He only changed 2 words.

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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:50 pm

piscator wrote:He only changed 2 words.
And in doing so he libeled me. Of course I'm not worried because the context and the edit is perfectly clear, all one has to do is be smart enough to look at the original post.

Which is why all my original work is copied and archived, just in case someone should have a question about what I actually wrote.
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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:03 am

Tyrannical,

Your amendments to this post could be viewed as racist hate speech, illegal under British law (where this site is hosted). To offset any legal difficulties for the site, your changes have been redacted.

Further more, amending somebody else's post without making it clear that you are doing so is, in the opinion of the staff, a breach of our play nice guidelines.

This is a warning that any similar occurrences will result in a suspension of your account. This applies both to posting further racist sentiments likely to cause issues for this site AND misquoting other members without making it expressly clear that you are doing so.

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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:26 am

Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:He only changed 2 words.
And in doing so he libeled me. Of course I'm not worried because the context and the edit is perfectly clear, all one has to do is be smart enough to look at the original post.

Which is why all my original work is copied and archived, just in case someone should have a question about what I actually wrote.
It was parody, which is different than libel. Apparently the clearness that I made it was beyond Chegwe's comprehension. To someone of normal faculty, the "Hey, I just thought of a way to get Seth visited by the FBI :hehe: " would have made it obvious.
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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by Seth » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:01 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
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piscator wrote:He only changed 2 words.
And in doing so he libeled me. Of course I'm not worried because the context and the edit is perfectly clear, all one has to do is be smart enough to look at the original post.

Which is why all my original work is copied and archived, just in case someone should have a question about what I actually wrote.
It was parody, which is different than libel. Apparently the clearness that I made it was beyond Chegwe's comprehension. To someone of normal faculty, the "Hey, I just thought of a way to get Seth visited by the FBI :hehe: " would have made it obvious.
Tyr, it's obvious so long as that sentence is quoted as part of the context. The danger (for me) is that someone will copy only the text you changed and move it to another venue and use it as evidence that I'm a racist, which could be very damaging to my reputation and employment, and even demonstrating the post was falsely edited could be tremendously expensive what with lawyer's fees and suchlike.

I have to agree that the changes do potentially violate UK law, so the redaction was appropriate.

One way to avoid such libelous editing is to use the strikeout function and font color to highlight edits. This makes it clear within the context of the original post that the material has been edited and that the responsibility for that edit lies with the one who made the change. I would not have been nearly as concerned if it had been done in that way, even though I find the "parody" to be offensive from the get-go.

I've brought this up before regarding editing other people's posts and I now reiterate that it should be a policy of this forum that any edits to another member's written words MUST be clearly indicated as such by using the strikeout feature and/or requiring other such indications, like the Fix Fairy so that it is manifestly obvious that the original verbiage has been changed.

Let's make that a formal request for rule-making.
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Post by cronus » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:18 pm

I'm confused, now, since there appears to be some identity theft issues happening. This happens in real life too, for which I've some experience, and can lead to bad blood, feuding and a general atmosphere of negativity. Any damn fool can start a war as the saying goes. :coffee:
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Post by Audley Strange » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:23 pm

Seth wrote:
I've brought this up before regarding editing other people's posts and I now reiterate that it should be a policy of this forum that any edits to another member's written words MUST be clearly indicated as such by using the strikeout feature and/or requiring other such indications, like the Fix Fairy so that it is manifestly obvious that the original verbiage has been changed.

Let's make that a formal request for rule-making.
I'll second that request.
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Post by JimC » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:24 pm

Little by little, we are all becoming Scrumple...
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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by JimC » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:25 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
Seth wrote:
I've brought this up before regarding editing other people's posts and I now reiterate that it should be a policy of this forum that any edits to another member's written words MUST be clearly indicated as such by using the strikeout feature and/or requiring other such indications, like the Fix Fairy so that it is manifestly obvious that the original verbiage has been changed.

Let's make that a formal request for rule-making.
I'll second that request.
I agree. And the fix fairy needs to be on the first page of the smileys...
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Post by Mishakal » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:38 pm

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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by Warren Dew » Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:05 am

JimC wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Seth wrote:
I've brought this up before regarding editing other people's posts and I now reiterate that it should be a policy of this forum that any edits to another member's written words MUST be clearly indicated as such by using the strikeout feature and/or requiring other such indications, like the Fix Fairy so that it is manifestly obvious that the original verbiage has been changed.

Let's make that a formal request for rule-making.
I'll second that request.
I agree. And the fix fairy needs to be on the first page of the smileys...
It isn't? Didn't it used to be?

I don't think a formal rule is needed when we know that "amending somebody else's post without making it clear that you are doing so is, in the opinion of the staff, a breach of our play nice guidelines".
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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by Warren Dew » Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:06 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:He only changed 2 words.
And in doing so he libeled me. Of course I'm not worried because the context and the edit is perfectly clear, all one has to do is be smart enough to look at the original post.

Which is why all my original work is copied and archived, just in case someone should have a question about what I actually wrote.
It was parody, which is different than libel. Apparently the clearness that I made it was beyond Chegwe's comprehension. To someone of normal faculty, the "Hey, I just thought of a way to get Seth visited by the FBI :hehe: " would have made it obvious.
Parody isn't protected speech in the UK, unlike the U.S..

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Re: Abandoned Dogs Roam Detroit in Packs as Humans Dwindle

Post by JimC » Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:12 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:He only changed 2 words.
And in doing so he libeled me. Of course I'm not worried because the context and the edit is perfectly clear, all one has to do is be smart enough to look at the original post.

Which is why all my original work is copied and archived, just in case someone should have a question about what I actually wrote.
It was parody, which is different than libel. Apparently the clearness that I made it was beyond Chegwe's comprehension. To someone of normal faculty, the "Hey, I just thought of a way to get Seth visited by the FBI :hehe: " would have made it obvious.
Parody isn't protected speech in the UK, unlike the U.S..
Parody is absolutely fine with mods here, as long as alterations to other's writings are clearly indicated, and the fix fairy is a good way to do it...
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