The Political Brain

[sandinista]

Knowing you're on to something=getting verbally double teamed by CES and seth.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not us, sandi, it's the corporations. You're being double-teamed by corporations.

[sandinista]

It's not us, sandi, it's the corporations. You're being double-teamed by corporations.

Really? Thought I was free! Yah for liberty!

[Coito ergo sum]

Nah - you're foolin' yourself. The corporations are exploiting the workers! And, they're forcing you to 'ang on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.

And, yeah! Liberty sucks! All these people doin' what they please....gotta end that. Yay for un-liberty!

[sandinista]

Nah - you're foolin' yourself. The corporations are exploiting the workers! And, they're forcing you to 'ang on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.

And, yeah! Liberty sucks! All these people doin' what they please....gotta end that. Yay for un-liberty!

Wrong...or should I say...Fail. Corporations are our friends, they do nothing but help society raise their quality of life by serving our needs and growing the economy. Corporations are benevolent organizations working towards the betterment of all people. As for liberty and freedom, what are you on about? Yah for liberty, Freedom and democracy!! USA USA!!

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm not reading all this thread - who's winning so far?

[JOZeldenrust]

I'm not reading all this thread - who's winning so far?

Wel, on the one hand we have Sandi, Morticia and 914, who so far have refused to put forward what they think society should be like, and on the other hand we've got Seth who's defining anything that isn't complete laissez faire capitalism as Marxist. He's even forcing QES into the position of the moderates, which should tell you something.

In other words, this thread only has losers.

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm not reading all this thread - who's winning so far?

Wel, on the one hand we have Sandi, Morticia and 914, who so far have refused to put forward what they think society should be like, and on the other hand we've got Seth who's defining anything that isn't complete laissez faire capitalism as Marxist. He's even forcing QES into the position of the moderates, which should tell you something.

In other words, this thread only has losers.

Standard politics thread then. I might pop back when it gets to 12 pages, see if anyone has moved from their initial position by so much as a Planck length...

[sandinista]

I'm not reading all this thread - who's winning so far?

Got to ask Seth, he's the judge. I'm guessing he's winning, followed by CES.

[Coito ergo sum]

Nah - you're foolin' yourself. The corporations are exploiting the workers! And, they're forcing you to 'ang on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.

And, yeah! Liberty sucks! All these people doin' what they please....gotta end that. Yay for un-liberty!

Wrong...or should I say...Fail. Corporations are our friends, they do nothing but help society raise their quality of life by serving our needs and growing the economy. Corporations are benevolent organizations working towards the betterment of all people. As for liberty and freedom, what are you on about? Yah for liberty, Freedom and democracy!! USA USA!!

No no! It's "Down with the USA! May it burn to ashes, because it is the bringer only of evil, oppression and imperialism." Freedom and liberty are just illusions, and what we need is Hugo Chavez to straighten us out just like he's doing to Venezuela. Viva Hugo! Viva Fidel!

But, for the record:

I do not think corporations are our friends, nor have I ever said they are or even implied that they are.
Corporations both help society and hurt society, depending on the time and the circumstance.
Corporations both raise quality of life by serving needs and growing the economy, and also hurt the quality of life and harm the economy, depending on the time and the circumstances.
Corporations are not now and never have been "benevolent" organizations working towards the betterment of all people - they are organizations of people working for the benefit of those who own them.

You forget, sandi - I'm not the absolutist, here. You are.

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm not reading all this thread - who's winning so far?

Wel, on the one hand we have Sandi, Morticia and 914, who so far have refused to put forward what they think society should be like, and on the other hand we've got Seth who's defining anything that isn't complete laissez faire capitalism as Marxist. He's even forcing QES into the position of the moderates, which should tell you something.

In other words, this thread only has losers.

Just one small correction - I'm always moderate. This thread hasn't changed that.

[sandinista]

I'm not reading all this thread - who's winning so far?

Wel, on the one hand we have Sandi, Morticia and 914, who so far have refused to put forward what they think society should be like, and on the other hand we've got Seth who's defining anything that isn't complete laissez faire capitalism as Marxist. He's even forcing QES into the position of the moderates, which should tell you something.

In other words, this thread only has losers.

Just one small correction - I'm always moderate. This thread hasn't changed that.

moderate what?

[Seth]

Nah - you're foolin' yourself. The corporations are exploiting the workers! And, they're forcing you to 'ang on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.

And, yeah! Liberty sucks! All these people doin' what they please....gotta end that. Yay for un-liberty!

Wrong...or should I say...Fail. Corporations are our friends, they do nothing but help society raise their quality of life by serving our needs and growing the economy. Corporations are benevolent organizations working towards the betterment of all people. As for liberty and freedom, what are you on about? Yah for liberty, Freedom and democracy!! USA USA!!

No no! It's "Down with the USA! May it burn to ashes, because it is the bringer only of evil, oppression and imperialism." Freedom and liberty are just illusions, and what we need is Hugo Chavez to straighten us out just like he's doing to Venezuela. Viva Hugo! Viva Fidel!

But, for the record:

I do not think corporations are our friends, nor have I ever said they are or even implied that they are.
Corporations both help society and hurt society, depending on the time and the circumstance.
Corporations both raise quality of life by serving needs and growing the economy, and also hurt the quality of life and harm the economy, depending on the time and the circumstances.
Corporations are not now and never have been "benevolent" organizations working towards the betterment of all people - they are organizations of people working for the benefit of those who own them.

You forget, sandi - I'm not the absolutist, here. You are.

And the biggest mistake in US history is granting "personhood" to corporations, which were originally granted charters by the government that explicitly required them to act "in the public interest" or have their charter revoked.

Corporations are not human beings, and should not have human rights. They should have only those authorities and privileges that society, through it's elected leadership, deem necessary and reasonable for the corporations to have.

[sandinista]

You forget, sandi - I'm not the absolutist, here. You are.

Actually...you are.

[JOZeldenrust]

Nah - you're foolin' yourself. The corporations are exploiting the workers! And, they're forcing you to 'ang on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.

And, yeah! Liberty sucks! All these people doin' what they please....gotta end that. Yay for un-liberty!

Wrong...or should I say...Fail. Corporations are our friends, they do nothing but help society raise their quality of life by serving our needs and growing the economy. Corporations are benevolent organizations working towards the betterment of all people. As for liberty and freedom, what are you on about? Yah for liberty, Freedom and democracy!! USA USA!!

No no! It's "Down with the USA! May it burn to ashes, because it is the bringer only of evil, oppression and imperialism." Freedom and liberty are just illusions, and what we need is Hugo Chavez to straighten us out just like he's doing to Venezuela. Viva Hugo! Viva Fidel!

But, for the record:

I do not think corporations are our friends, nor have I ever said they are or even implied that they are.
Corporations both help society and hurt society, depending on the time and the circumstance.
Corporations both raise quality of life by serving needs and growing the economy, and also hurt the quality of life and harm the economy, depending on the time and the circumstances.
Corporations are not now and never have been "benevolent" organizations working towards the betterment of all people - they are organizations of people working for the benefit of those who own them.

You forget, sandi - I'm not the absolutist, here. You are.

And the biggest mistake in US history is granting "personhood" to corporations, which were originally granted charters by the government that explicitly required them to act "in the public interest" or have their charter revoked.

Corporations are not human beings, and should not have human rights. They should have only those authorities and privileges that society, through it's elected leadership, deem necessary and reasonable for the corporations to have.

Are corporations really granted personhood under American law? I know that in Dutch law there's the distinction between a legal person and a natural person. A legal person is any entity that can be a party in legal constructions, most importantly contracts, whereas a natural person is a human being. Any natural person is automaticly also a legal person, though in some cases limits may be imposed on their ability to be parties in legal constructions, such as for minors or mentally handicapped, but the reverse doesn't hold. Legal personhood doesn't imply natural personhood, and human or constitutional rights only apply to natural persons.

Other then that, for a change, I agree with you that corporations should not have the same rights as human beings.