An independent Scotland?

[ronmcd]

Buckinghamistanis demand FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They can take our Bollinger, but they can never take ....... our FREEDOM!!! (And palaces. And civil list. And art collections. And Crown Estate. They can have Prince Edward though.)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Buckinghamistanis demand FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They can take our Bollinger, but they can never take ....... our FREEDOM!!! (And palaces. And civil list. And art collections. And Crown Estate. They can have Prince Edward though.)

"What do we owe the English anyway?" (Sorry, Brian.)

[ronmcd]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all.

Longshanks' ghost will be at you tonight. Sleep well.

[Rum]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

On the same note maintaining the union isn't, for me, about any sort of power over Scotland on the part of England. It is about the strength we have together. I suspect we will be much weaker than our constituent parts in many ways if we separate.

[ronmcd]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

On the same note maintaining the union isn't, for me, about any sort of power over Scotland on the part of England. It is about the strength we have together. I suspect we will be much weaker than our constituent parts in many ways if we separate.

And that's an entirely reasonable point of view, held by my dad for one.

[Jason]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

On the same note maintaining the union isn't, for me, about any sort of power over Scotland on the part of England. It is about the strength we have together. I suspect we will be much weaker than our constituent parts in many ways if we separate.

And that's an entirely reasonable point of view, held by my dad for one.

Reasonable, but not your point of view obviously. There can be more than one reasonable point of view in a debate?

[Rum]

Of course. We British are a very reasonable bunch of people as a rule.

[Jason]

Ah I think I understand now. You need the crazy Irish and the angry Scots to round you out.

[Svartalf]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

On the same note maintaining the union isn't, for me, about any sort of power over Scotland on the part of England. It is about the strength we have together. I suspect we will be much weaker than our constituent parts in many ways if we separate.

Remember the Auld Alliance... Scotoland prefers to be strong with us.

[Svartalf]

Of course. We British are a very reasonable bunch of people as a rule.

meaning the chavs are unBritish? I mean, with the sheer amount of yobs you have, it's hard to believe.

[ronmcd]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

On the same note maintaining the union isn't, for me, about any sort of power over Scotland on the part of England. It is about the strength we have together. I suspect we will be much weaker than our constituent parts in many ways if we separate.

And that's an entirely reasonable point of view, held by my dad for one.

Reasonable, but not your point of view obviously. There can be more than one reasonable point of view in a debate?

I would hope there could be a multitude of different reasonable points of view in any debate.

[JimC]

On a serious note, just for a moment, the Scottish Independence movement isn't about England at all. (just making the point, not accusing anyone in particular of suggesting such)

It's entirely about Scotland, and a desire to make different (or the same, if that's what people in Scotland want) decisions that reflect Scotland specifically, rather than UK as a whole. It could equally be achieved through federalism, but the power-hungry Westminister machine will never allow that. Consider this - having a federal (devo max) option, even an offer of tentative discussions on the topic, would have guaranteed a NO vote had it been pushed by a single party and included in the referendum.

Seriousness over.

On the same note maintaining the union isn't, for me, about any sort of power over Scotland on the part of England. It is about the strength we have together. I suspect we will be much weaker than our constituent parts in many ways if we separate.

Remember the Auld Alliance... Scotoland prefers to be strong with us.

Aha!

It's all a vile French plot!

[Svartalf]

The Engliosh are vile, our scheme is to stop their dirty paws from soiling our Scot friends.

[Rum]

The Engliosh are vile, our scheme is to stop their dirty paws from soiling our Scot friends.

Meanwhile we English have taken the Dordogne by stealth.

I'm happy with the deal personally.