Kavanaugh hearing

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, it's like I said --ain't it always -- we have to live with uncertainty.

[laklak]

He should have owned it, like Slick Willy should have owned the blow job. Yeah, I buttchugged enough beer to float a fucking Ticonderoga class missile cruiser. I puked all over my grandma. So fucking what? What are they going to do then? Same with Lewinsky - yeah I splooged on the dress, so sue me.

What we need is some fucking honesty in politics. I should run.

[Forty Two]

Jeez what those Democrats are doing is really really terrible. And you know what? It could get worse. If they were to take the US Senate, they could simply refuse to hold any hearings at all for a Trump nominee to the Supreme Court. Oh, the howls of outrage that would rise up then.

If they took the Senate, I would expect them to vote Kavanaugh down, as is their right, for any reason they want. Also, if Trump doesn't nominate someone who they like, then it would be their duty to refuse consent. They'd be the majority in the Senate, and that would be their job.

That's rather different than being the minority, and drumming up or helping to drum up uncorroborated allegations about something that supposedly happened 36 years ago at a high school get together and then spend Senate committee time interviewing a SCOTUS candidate on the blurbs in his high school yearbook.

But, frankly, the real problem is the 3 GOP Senators like Flake who breathe life into the Democrat's actions by entertaining their silly and transparent machinations. Just fucking vote on the candidate. If the new polls are any indication, the Democrats just shot themselves in the foot by doing all this crap, and the voters are now more pro-Trump than they've ever been. One latest poll has Trump at a 50% approval rating ..... all the gasps and Japan fanning on CNN about Trump recounting the problems with Dr. Ford's "story" aside....

[laklak]

... Japan fanning ...

[Tero]

CNN:

The Senate is set to take a procedural vote at 10:30 a.m., ET Friday to end debate on the nomination. If a simple majority of the upper chamber votes in favor, the Senate will be able to advance to a final confirmation vote as early as Saturday. If the vote fails, it would deal a major blow to the nomination and throw the possibility of confirmation of the dick waggling and assaulting judge into serious doubt.

[Brian Peacock]

Here's another aspect that's been ignored. Why? Because 99% of people are not lateral thinkers. They can not think outside the box. And even when an unexpected idea comes along, their mental lethargy prevents them from seeing, or wanting to see the refreshing & fresh new concept. It's often referred to as "Cognitive Dissonance", or bigotry: Unwillingness to consider another factual presentation.

Here, Galaxian will consider the factor of inebriation. Yes, the rabid critics of Brett Kavanaugh rant on and on about his drinking. He was constantly sozzled. At every gathering great or small. He even said that he likes beer (the alcoholic variety).

What more do we need? He's a drunk, fits in well with what Forty Two has indicated about the legal eagles he's met. So, it follows, the lambasters say: "He must have raped ALL those girls, but doesn't remember it. Or, the drink drove him to it...it reduced his self-control, etc, etc".

Let's see what the facts are about drinking alcohol and having sex, either consensual or forced:

https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile ... -life.aspx
"Drink a little alcohol; kiss your bedroom jitters goodbye: Anyone who’s transformed into Don Juan after a couple of cocktails knows that. But beyond that newfound confidence, is alcohol good for your sex life?
Actually, the effect can be the opposite as your blood alcohol level increases. Alcohol is a depressant, and using it heavily can dampen mood, decrease sexual desire, and make it difficult for a man to achieve erections or reach an orgasm while under the influence. In fact, overdoing it on booze is a common cause of erectile dysfunction.
Temporary erectile dysfunction. Researchers have found that too much alcohol affects both your brain and your penis. In one University of Washington study, sober men were able to achieve an erection more quickly than intoxicated men — and some men are unable to have an erection at all after drinking.

That’s because pre-sex boozing decreases blood flow to your penis, reduces the intensity of your orgasm, and can dampen your level of excitement (in other words, even if you are able to have sex, it may not be nearly as pleasurable as it would be without the excess alcohol).

Long-term erectile dysfunction. The risk for long-term erectile dysfunction has been linked to chronic heavy use of alcohol. In fact, studies show that men who are dependent on alcohol have a 60 to 70 percent chance of suffering from sexual problems. The most common of these are erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, and loss of sexual desire."

Here's more. This time even the 'desire' for sex is dampened by too much alcohol...the amounts Kavanaugh partook of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_sex#In_men
"Men's sexual behaviors can be affected dramatically by alcohol. Both chronic and acute alcohol consumption have been shown in most [3][4][5] (but not all[6]) studies to inhibit testosterone production in the testes. This is believed to be caused by the metabolism of alcohol reducing the NAD+/NADH ratio both in the liver and the testes; since the synthesis of testosterone requires NAD+, this tends to reduce testosterone production.[7][8]

As testosterone is critical for libido and physical arousal,alcohol tends to have deleterious effects on male sexual performance. Studies have been conducted that indicate increasing levels of alcohol intoxication produce a significant degradation in male masturbatory effectiveness (MME). This degradation was measured by measuring blood alcohol concentration (BAC) and ejaculation latency.[9] Alcohol intoxication can decrease sexual arousal, decrease pleasureability and intensity of orgasm, and increase difficulty in attaining orgasm.

And there's much more literature on the topic of excessive alcohol & libido (sexual desire). So, since the Kavanaugh haters, the wowser goody-two-shoes want a celibate teetotaler as Supreme Court judge, they should also remember that Kavanaugh could not have been as promiscuous as has been alleged: His supposed heavy drinking refutes and contradicts the simultaneous accusation of being a sexual predator. But go ahead, demand that a puritan nanny be appointed, a man-hater with no insight into human foibles

You have wasted a huge amount of your limited time on earth with this post (unless your intergalactic status confers immortality upon you too). I was drunk a great deal in my 20s and up to my mid thirties and I also had (consensual) sex with several dozen or more women. End of hypothesis.

We all noticed how The Great Galaxian generalised from the particular there - going from 'some' men can find it difficult to achieve an erection when drunk, to inferring that 'all' men suffer that malady, to implying Mr Kavanaugh could not have performed a sexual act if he was drunk, before concluding that no assault could have been committed against Ms Ford. As deductive logic goes it's a pretty poor show - but not only that, while mentioning that alcohol 'tends' to act as a depressant he failed to note that it also acts as a disinhibitor, such that (even by his own logic) the young Mr Kavanaugh could have been more likely to engage in risky behaviours when intoxicated even if he couldn't, erm, marshal his forces effectively due to excess hooch.

That, as you point out, we are also being tacitly asked to accept this in a binary fashion apparently gives Galaxian the confidence to suggest that either the young Mr Kavanaugh was paralytic (and therefore unable to sexually assault because he wouldn't be able to rise to the occasion: something which presupposes that a sexual assault is always and only penetrative) or sober (and therefore unlikely to sexually assault because he would've been in control of his faculties). Either way, Galaxian posits a general rule which seemingly renders the possibility of male sexual assault as unachievable when either inebriated or sober.

I think Galaxian should've just stuck to butchering Ms Ford's reputation - at least he seemed to be bringing a certain flair and enthusiasm to that endeavour.

[laklak]

Some of my best erections involved excessive alcohol consumption.

Lo, those many years ago.

[Sean Hayden]

Here's another aspect that's been ignored. Why? Because 99% of people are not lateral thinkers. They can not think outside the box. And even when an unexpected idea comes along, their mental lethargy prevents them from seeing, or wanting to see the refreshing & fresh new concept. It's often referred to as "Cognitive Dissonance", or bigotry: Unwillingness to consider another factual presentation.

Here, Galaxian will consider the factor of inebriation. Yes, the rabid critics of Brett Kavanaugh rant on and on about his drinking. He was constantly sozzled. At every gathering great or small. He even said that he likes beer (the alcoholic variety).

What more do we need? He's a drunk, fits in well with what Forty Two has indicated about the legal eagles he's met. So, it follows, the lambasters say: "He must have raped ALL those girls, but doesn't remember it. Or, the drink drove him to it...it reduced his self-control, etc, etc".

Let's see what the facts are about drinking alcohol and having sex, either consensual or forced:

https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile ... -life.aspx
"Drink a little alcohol; kiss your bedroom jitters goodbye: Anyone who’s transformed into Don Juan after a couple of cocktails knows that. But beyond that newfound confidence, is alcohol good for your sex life?
Actually, the effect can be the opposite as your blood alcohol level increases. Alcohol is a depressant, and using it heavily can dampen mood, decrease sexual desire, and make it difficult for a man to achieve erections or reach an orgasm while under the influence. In fact, overdoing it on booze is a common cause of erectile dysfunction.
Temporary erectile dysfunction. Researchers have found that too much alcohol affects both your brain and your penis. In one University of Washington study, sober men were able to achieve an erection more quickly than intoxicated men — and some men are unable to have an erection at all after drinking.

That’s because pre-sex boozing decreases blood flow to your penis, reduces the intensity of your orgasm, and can dampen your level of excitement (in other words, even if you are able to have sex, it may not be nearly as pleasurable as it would be without the excess alcohol).

Long-term erectile dysfunction. The risk for long-term erectile dysfunction has been linked to chronic heavy use of alcohol. In fact, studies show that men who are dependent on alcohol have a 60 to 70 percent chance of suffering from sexual problems. The most common of these are erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, and loss of sexual desire."

Here's more. This time even the 'desire' for sex is dampened by too much alcohol...the amounts Kavanaugh partook of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_sex#In_men
"Men's sexual behaviors can be affected dramatically by alcohol. Both chronic and acute alcohol consumption have been shown in most [3][4][5] (but not all[6]) studies to inhibit testosterone production in the testes. This is believed to be caused by the metabolism of alcohol reducing the NAD+/NADH ratio both in the liver and the testes; since the synthesis of testosterone requires NAD+, this tends to reduce testosterone production.[7][8]

As testosterone is critical for libido and physical arousal,alcohol tends to have deleterious effects on male sexual performance. Studies have been conducted that indicate increasing levels of alcohol intoxication produce a significant degradation in male masturbatory effectiveness (MME). This degradation was measured by measuring blood alcohol concentration (BAC) and ejaculation latency.[9] Alcohol intoxication can decrease sexual arousal, decrease pleasureability and intensity of orgasm, and increase difficulty in attaining orgasm.

And there's much more literature on the topic of excessive alcohol & libido (sexual desire). So, since the Kavanaugh haters, the wowser goody-two-shoes want a celibate teetotaler as Supreme Court judge, they should also remember that Kavanaugh could not have been as promiscuous as has been alleged: His supposed heavy drinking refutes and contradicts the simultaneous accusation of being a sexual predator. But go ahead, demand that a puritan nanny be appointed, a man-hater with no insight into human foibles

You have wasted a huge amount of your limited time on earth with this post (unless your intergalactic status confers immortality upon you too). I was drunk a great deal in my 20s and up to my mid thirties and I also had (consensual) sex with several dozen or more women. End of hypothesis.

We all noticed how The Great Galaxian generalised from the particular there - going from 'some' men can find it difficult to achieve an erection when drunk,to inferring that 'all' men suffer that malady, to implying Mr Kavanaugh could not have performed a sexual act if he was drunk, before concluding that no assault could have been committed against Ms Ford. As deductive logic goes it's a pretty poor show - but not only that, while mentioning that alcohol 'tends' to act as a depressant he failed to note that it also acts as a disinhibitor, such that (even by his own logic) the young Mr Kavanaugh could have been more likely to engage in risky behaviours when intoxicated even if he couldn't, erm, marshal his forces effectively due to excess hooch.

That, as you point out, we are also being tacitly asked to accept this in a binary fashion apparently give Galaxian the confindence to suggest that either the young Mr Kavanaugh was paralytic (and therefore unable to sexually assault because he wouldn't be able to rise to the occasion: something which presupposes that a sexual assault is always and only penetrative) or sober (and therefore unlikely to sexually assault because he would've been in control of his faculties). Either way, Galaxian posits a general rule which seemingly renders the possibility of male sexual assault as being unachievable when either inebriated or sober.

I think Galaxian should've just stuck to butchering Ms Ford's reputation - at least he seemed to be bringing a certain flair and enthusiasm to that endeavour.

Now you're just showing off.

[Forty Two]

CNN:

The Senate is set to take a procedural vote at 10:30 a.m., ET Friday to end debate on the nomination. If a simple majority of the upper chamber votes in favor, the Senate will be able to advance to a final confirmation vote as early as Saturday. If the vote fails, it would deal a major blow to the nomination and throw the possibility of confirmation of the dick waggling and assaulting judge into serious doubt.

Did they vote?

[Tero]

First vote to move to Sat vote.

[Seabass]

Galaxian and Coito like peas in a pod...

[L'Emmerdeur]

Jeez what those Democrats are doing is really really terrible. And you know what? It could get worse. If they were to take the US Senate, they could simply refuse to hold any hearings at all for a Trump nominee to the Supreme Court. Oh, the howls of outrage that would rise up then.

If they took the Senate, I would expect them to vote Kavanaugh down, as is their right, for any reason they want. Also, if Trump doesn't nominate someone who they like, then it would be their duty to refuse consent. They'd be the majority in the Senate, and that would be their job.

You misrepresent my reference. The constitutional duty of advice and consent which is incumbent upon the US Senate--holding hearings to evaluate the nominee, followed by voting on whether to elevate the nominee to the Supreme Court--is one thing. Refusing to even consider the qualifications of the nominee, circumventing the constitutional process by refusing to fulfill the duty of the Senate for political reasons is another thing entirely. Jumping up and down and yelping about how the Democrats shouldn't be considering 'uncorroborated' allegations is nothing but hypocritical when one has been silent about the above tactic employed by the Republicans. Perhaps you could direct me to your righteous criticism of McConnell's obstruction of the Garland nomination?

That's rather different than being the minority, and drumming up or helping to drum up uncorroborated allegations about something that supposedly happened 36 years ago at a high school get together and then spend Senate committee time interviewing a SCOTUS candidate on the blurbs in his high school yearbook.

Your opinion of the allegations made by Blasey Ford is irrelevant, as is your opinion of her credibility. The US Senate has a duty to consider allegations of serious criminal activity made by a credible witness. Despite your opinion, as a body the US Senate considered Blasey Ford a credible witness and her allegations were given consideration.

But, frankly, the real problem is the 3 GOP Senators like Flake who breathe life into the Democrat's actions by entertaining their silly and transparent machinations. Just fucking vote on the candidate. If the new polls are any indication, the Democrats just shot themselves in the foot by doing all this crap, and the voters are now more pro-Trump than they've ever been. One latest poll has Trump at a 50% approval rating ..... all the gasps and Japan fanning on CNN about Trump recounting the problems with Dr. Ford's "story" aside....

Noting that you've failed to produce any links to these 'new polls,' I'll ask: Do you think the US Senate should conduct itself according to the results of popularity polls?

[L'Emmerdeur]

The opinion of a former prosecutor who specialized in prosecuting sex crimes. I consider it much more reliable than that of unqualified internet commenters.

'I Was a Sex-Crimes Prosecutor. Here’s Why "He Said, She Said" Is a Myth'

When Arizona prosecutor Rachel Mitchell wrote in a memo after questioning Dr. Christine Blasey Ford at the Brett Kavanaugh hearing that a “‘he said she said’ case is incredibly difficult to prove,” she neglected to mention that a sex-crimes prosecutor’s very job is to go beyond the parties’ contradictory statements to find evidence suggesting whether “he” or “she” is telling the truth.

...

What’s striking about the Kavanaugh case is that the evidence we saw at the hearing was more significant than what is presented in many criminal trials where a guilty verdict is returned. Dr. Ford’s credible testimony, her statements making this accusation years earlier, and her lack of motive to lie, especially compared to the incentives for her to stay silent, would be legally sufficient to sustain a criminal conviction for attempted rape. And that does not even consider the substantiating evidence provided by Kavanaugh’s friend Mark Judge’s autobiographical novel, Kavanaugh’s own crude yearbook statements and his evasiveness during questioning. If this were a mugging, we might just say “case closed.”

But the real shame about Mitchell terming this a “he said she said” case is that here, there are dozens of potential witnesses like Mark Judge who were not called to testify. Mitchell and the Senate Judiciary Committee took lawyers’ letters instead — hearsay statements that would never be allowed in Judge Kavanaugh’s courtroom or in any American trial, including one brought by Mitchell herself. Furthermore, under Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b), in a criminal trial, we would hear the testimony of the other two accusers in order to consider Kavanaugh’s intent, motive, and lack of mistake in his interactions with Ford. Hopefully the current FBI investigation will help remedy this. But if we are forced to endure the concept of “he said, she said,” we must at the very least look at the other two she’s.

At the core of the “he said, she said” myth is the idea that “ladies lie.” But studies show that rape claims are false at exactly the same rate as claims of any other crime, about 2–6% of the time. You’re just as likely to be falsely accused of mugging someone as raping them.

Either way, there are methods of discerning the truth in a court of law. We need to understand that when two people tell different stories — whether about a sex crime or an armed robbery — we can use common sense, reasoning and investigation to figure out what happened.

Meanwhile, we need to start treating sex crime victims’ testimony the same way as the victims of every other crime. And most importantly, we need to reject the myth, spawned 500 years ago in a medieval man’s world, that women cannot be trusted at their word.

[Tero]

GOP possibly messed up a vote they may need to wait for. Send Airforce 1 to retrieve the guy?
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politi ... cnn.com%2F

[laklak]

They got it covered.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/all-ey ... naugh-vote

Daines said in a Friday statement that fellow Montana Rep. Greg Gianforte, a friend, offered to let Daines use his plane to get back to Washington to vote, if needed.

“My good friend and colleague, Greg, has come to save the day. If I need to be in two places at once to walk my daughter down the aisle on her wedding day and to be the final vote to put Judge Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, he’s offered me use of his plane,” Daines said.