2012 US Election -- Round 2

[Coito ergo sum]

Latest swing state polls showing Obama likely to win: http://www.enstarz.com/articles/8775/20 ... litico.htm

Realclearpolitics has Obama ahead by 11 EV votes currently, with a bunch of tossups: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/

Politico has an interesting article: Again, as of this writing, our model gives Romney a tiny edge over Obama in the national popular vote (47.1 to 46.9 percent). If we create a weighted average of the battleground states (based on the number of votes cast in 2008 in each state), Obama has an advantage of roughly half a percentage point (47.7 to 47.2 percent) in the nine most closely contested battleground states (Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/1 ... 71521.html

[Wumbologist]

Oh, I'm sure. The average Democrat thinks Obama's shit smells like roses. I wouldn't contest that there are people who wouldn't criticize Obama if he admitted that he personally gave a stand down order and personally decided not to send in available help. You and your ilk would find a way to justify it, no matter what. It happens on many, many issues. Doesn't matter what he does. You're for it.

I actually disagree with Obama on several things, NDAA, his lukewarm stance on net neutrality, the amount of time it took for him to come around on marriage equality, careless overuse of drones in Pakistan, to name a few. It does matter what he does and I'm not a mindless cheerleader for "my" guy, but I do strongly feel that he is the better choice, flaws and all. All I've seen you do is mindlessly back anything Romney says or does, because he's the candidate who isn't Obama.

[Santa_Claus]

Isn't the usual margin of error +/- 3% ?

My take is that plenty of folks will vote Romney - but simply won't admit voting with pockets and not principals (the hold your nose vote! - Maggie T did very well with that)......the fact that they are likely in for a nasty surprise is secondary - desperation does make people choose strangely.

GO MITT GO!

[Ian]

Oh, I'm sure. The average Democrat thinks Obama's shit smells like roses. I wouldn't contest that there are people who wouldn't criticize Obama if he admitted that he personally gave a stand down order and personally decided not to send in available help. You and your ilk would find a way to justify it, no matter what. It happens on many, many issues. Doesn't matter what he does. You're for it.

I actually disagree with Obama on several things, NDAA, his lukewarm stance on net neutrality, the amount of time it took for him to come around on marriage equality, careless overuse of drones in Pakistan, to name a few. It does matter what he does and I'm not a mindless cheerleader for "my" guy, but I do strongly feel that he is the better choice, flaws and all. All I've seen you do is mindlessly back anything Romney says or does, because he's the candidate who isn't Obama.

Coito, did I upset you a little? Good. You deserve it, Republican.

The GOP is dominated by anti-intellectuals, people who belive global warming is a hoax, bible-thumpers, anti-choicers, homophobes, xenophobes, mysoginists, people who don't believe in compromise, Ayn Rand disciples, loons who are convinced Obama as a socialist (or Kenyan, or muslim, take your pick), neoconservative war hawks, and more than a few racists. And though you might think back to an era when conservatism meant reason and pragmatism, you should be man enough to admit that this is no longer the case. Those are not the fringe elements I mentioned above - those are the whackos who now dominate your party... and will fill many ranks in a Romney administration. Nothing of the sort could be said in reverse and you know it. And you ought to be ashamed of yourself that you're helping to support them, which is exactly what you're doing. You say you'd never vote for a Sarah Palin or a Rick Santorum? Well, good for you, but Congress has plenty of lesser-knowns just like them, and those are the ones who will get priority to work with President Romney over Democrats.

The more educated, more sophisticated states are the blue ones; no matter how much you try to spin it, you need only look at a map to see it. And the entire world (save for a slim majority in Israel, big surprise) does not want to see a Romney administration. Wake up and smell the sewage.

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, I'm sure. The average Democrat thinks Obama's shit smells like roses. I wouldn't contest that there are people who wouldn't criticize Obama if he admitted that he personally gave a stand down order and personally decided not to send in available help. You and your ilk would find a way to justify it, no matter what. It happens on many, many issues. Doesn't matter what he does. You're for it.

I actually disagree with Obama on several things, NDAA, his lukewarm stance on net neutrality, the amount of time it took for him to come around on marriage equality, careless overuse of drones in Pakistan, to name a few. It does matter what he does and I'm not a mindless cheerleader for "my" guy, but I do strongly feel that he is the better choice, flaws and all. All I've seen you do is mindlessly back anything Romney says or does, because he's the candidate who isn't Obama.

Coito, did I upset you a little? Good. You deserve it, Republican.

Not at all. You just made me laugh. It's funny when you have no real response other than "yeah - I just believe Obama is a good guy and must've done everything right with the knowledge he had" and therefore all inquiry over the incident and suggestions to the contrary based on evidence is "politicizing." We should all just "STFU" about it. That's your attitude -- fair enough. I won't follow your advice, of course, because it's bollocks. Keep on keepin' on, though.

The GOP is dominated by anti-intellectuals, people who belive global warming is a hoax, bible-thumpers, anti-choicers, homophobes, xenophobes, mysoginists, people who don't believe in compromise, Ayn Rand disciples, loons who are convinced Obama as a socialist (or Kenyan, or muslim, take your pick), neoconservative war hawks, and more than a few racists.

Yawn -- there are nuts in the parties? Whodathunkit?

And though you might think back to an era when conservatism meant reason and pragmatism, you should be man enough to admit that this is no longer the case.

Doesn't have anything to do with Benghazi.

Look - I've criticized Republicans many times, and I've been clear which parts of the party I oppose. I just can't support Obama because of his bollocks economics, tax and social welfare policies and proposed policies. I don't want his fundamental change.

Those are not the fringe elements I mentioned above - those are the whackos who now dominate your party..

Not, but I know it makes you feel better because you can claim the intellectual superiority that way.

. and will fill many ranks in a Romney administration. Nothing of the sort could be said in reverse and you know it. And you ought to be ashamed of yourself that you're helping to support them, which is exactly what you're doing.

LOL -- like I said "Obama's mission is too important...." You've got it.

You say you'd never vote for a Sarah Palin or a Rick Santorum? Well, good for you, but Congress has plenty of lesser-knowns just like them,

I don't vote for them either. I only vote for the Congressperson in my district.

and those are the ones who will get priority to work with President Romney over Democrats.

I'm interested in turning around the economy and avoiding Obama's preferred tax and other economic policies.

The more educated, more sophisticated states are the blue ones; no matter how much you try to spin it, you need only look at a map to see it. And the entire world (save for a slim majority in Israel, big surprise) does not want to see a Romney administration. Wake up and smell the sewage.

We've been through that. Blue is only a reflection that the majority of people there vote Democrat, it doesn't say how big of a margin, and it doesn't say anything about the intelligence of the voters in that state -- i.e. the distribution of intelligence among the population. So, the fact that you are convinced that the "more sophisticated" states are the blue ones means that the DEMOCRATS IN THOSE STATES ARE MORE SOPHISTICATED clearly shows your muddled thinking. You're a smart guy, Ian, surely you won't continue to misuse the numbers like that.

[Ian]

Face it, your party has gone batshit. "There are nuts in the parties"... yes, but I'll take the Pepsi challenge between the lunatics in the Democratic party over the sheer number and severity of those in the GOP any day of the week. Obama never felt the need to nominate Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders (i.e. much further to the left than the rest of the Dems) in order to appease their liberal base, but your guys have been nominating Cheneys, Palins and Ryans. Reality is what it is.

I will keep using those numbers and smugly maintaining my intellectual superiority, thank you very much. Spend a month in Massachusets, another in Oklahoma, and then tell me which people are smarter and more sophisticated. Care to discuss again how lopsided the graduate-degree vote is going towards Obama, and how Romney has the high-school-or-less vote locked up? Reality is what it is.

[laklak]

The only smart people are Libertarians. All the rest of you are Kool-Aid drinkers. FACT.

[Wumbologist]

Obama never felt the need to nominate Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders (i.e. much further to the left than the rest of the Dems)

You're not seriously comparing Bernie Sanders to anyone on the right, are you?

[Ian]

Obama never felt the need to nominate Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders (i.e. much further to the left than the rest of the Dems)

You're not seriously comparing Bernie Sanders to anyone on the right, are you?

Heck no - Bernie Sanders is an intelligent guy whom I admire very much. I think Kucinich is something of an ass, though I wouldn't call him dumb.

And that proves a certain point. Years ago I believed that Democrats and Republicans were just two sides of the same coin, that they could meet in the middle to create pragmatic, collective leadership. Things have changed. Every couple weeks we're facepalming ourselves over something ridiculous some Republican said about rape, or science, or a description of forty-seven percent of the public. Did you know Congress actually had a high approval rating in the mid-1990s? Things have gone south over the years (to put it mildly), and one party is far, far more responsible for that than the other, IMHO.

[Coito ergo sum]

'Hurricane Sandy Has Already Created More Jobs Than Obama Has' - Jay Leno.

[Ian]

I don't get it.

[Tero]

'Hurricane Sandy Has Already Created More Jobs Than Obama Has' - Jay Leno.

The 30 some people that died?

But let's quote Romney: government doesn't create jobs.

And yes, the dumb hillbillies live in the South. For fun they go play in mud with stuff that makes noise.

[Coito ergo sum]

Face it, your party has gone batshit. "There are nuts in the parties"... yes, but I'll take the Pepsi challenge between the lunatics in the Democratic party over the sheer number and severity of those in the GOP any day of the week.

Yeah - they're fucking geninuses, Ian -- LOL -- they all support banning business profits. Cap profits -- cap salaries - cap everything. Would you be in favor of a law banning corporate profits? Yes. "I will support anything my President wants to do" Democratic National Convention DELEGATES!

Rank and file Democrats -- geniuses -- He is NOT a Keynesian! He was born in the US!

Democrats -- they - what is about Romney that you don't like? Is it that he is prochoice? Answer: Yes. Did Obama make the right choice by picking Paul Ryan as VP? Yes. Was it because Ryan was African American? That was part of it, yes. Genius!



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[Wumbologist]

If one could wave a magic wand and instantly make it so that not a single American voter believed that Obama was a secret Muslim or born in Kenya, how do you think the election would be impacted?

[macdoc]

The only smart people are Libertarians. All the rest of you are Kool-Aid drinkers. FACT.

guess that's why there are no libby societies anywhere

Closest maybe Somalia