The Coronavirus Thread

[macdoc]

oops https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/20 ... px-new.cnn

[L'Emmerdeur]

It wasn't just that one ivermectin study that was shown to be seriously flawed. Pretty much every piece of published research (and unreviewed preprints) promoting ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19 has been called into question. Also of note, reinforcing what Tero said above:

[P]harmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.

[source]

[JimC]

Yeah, but that's just science, L'emmy! Not nearly as important as the musings of right-wing bloggers...

[Brian Peacock]

So you didn't check out her work either?

No worries. I'll check out the corporate media sources you mention, if I want to know more.

But your previous point was that the 'wonder drug' explained vaccine hesitancy in the vaccine hesitant - presumably because as an effective treatment for the infection it basically cancelled out the need to be vaccinated. This is the view FOX et al had taken in promoting ivermectin anyway.

[Cunt]

So you didn't check out her work either?

No worries. I'll check out the corporate media sources you mention, if I want to know more.

But your previous point was that the 'wonder drug' explained vaccine hesitancy in the vaccine hesitant - presumably because as an effective treatment for the infection it basically cancelled out the need to be vaccinated. This is the view FOX et al had taken in promoting ivermectin anyway.

Not exactly, but you would know if you had listened to them, rather than trying to prove something about me...

My point, maybe sloppily made, was that in their discussion of that drug, they mentioned several reasons why some people were hesitant.

You can presume anything you want about them, based on my poor communication of their ideas, or your imperfect understanding of them.

Or you could listen to them, for such. I got my guesses as to which of you have, though.

It's clearly a 'third rail' topic. Shame as I would be interested in other people's thoughts on their presentation.

[Cunt]

It wasn't just that one ivermectin study that was shown to be seriously flawed. Pretty much every piece of published research (and unreviewed preprints) promoting ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19 has been called into question. Also of note, reinforcing what Tero said above:

[P]harmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.

[source]

Good to know you also didn't listen to them, nor do you know even the most basic things about them.

So you didn't check out her work either?

No worries. I'll check out the corporate media sources you mention, if I want to know more.

But your previous point was that the 'wonder drug' explained vaccine hesitancy in the vaccine hesitant - presumably because as an effective treatment for the infection it basically cancelled out the need to be vaccinated. This is the view FOX et al had taken in promoting ivermectin anyway.

Can you quote me, maybe I misspoke...

Or is it from your imagination?

[Brian Peacock]

So you didn't check out her work either?

No worries. I'll check out the corporate media sources you mention, if I want to know more.

But your previous point was that the 'wonder drug' explained vaccine hesitancy in the vaccine hesitant - presumably because as an effective treatment for the infection it basically cancelled out the need to be vaccinated. This is the view FOX et al had taken in promoting ivermectin anyway.

Not exactly, but you would know if you had listened to them, rather than trying to prove something about me...

My point, maybe sloppily made, was that in their discussion of that drug, they mentioned several reasons why some people were hesitant.

You can presume anything you want about them, based on my poor communication of their ideas, or your imperfect understanding of them.

Or you could listen to them, for such. I got my guesses as to which of you have, though.

It's clearly a 'third rail' topic. Shame as I would be interested in other people's thoughts on their presentation.

My remark was in response to what you said after Jim posted...

Omitting the obvious fact that vaccine hesitancy has been prominently encouraged by Trump supporters...

... to which you replied ...

That ivermectin story is a pretty interesting one. Especially since there are such reasonable, rational reasons offered for that hesitancy (just as a sidebar)

You tied Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy together in the 2nd post quoted above. I pointed out that you basically contradicted yourself between that post and the next one you posted to this thread. The issue here isn't my supposed failure to understand what somebody has said about Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy elsewhere, but your failure to be consistent and clearly explain what you mean.

[Joe]

My question was about why you would ignore hearing her.

I think that is my answer. Thanks, Tero.

You can't figure out why Tero would ignore what she said when you didn't tell him her name, link to what she had to say, or summarize her points?

Cunt needs to study Hermit's informative posts. Learn from the master, Cunt...

That's good advice Jim. Our friend from Yellowknife doesn't seem to be taking it.

[Cunt]

You tied Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy together in the 2nd post quoted above. I pointed out that you basically contradicted yourself between that post and the next one you posted to this thread. The issue here isn't my supposed failure to understand what somebody has said about Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy elsewhere, but your failure to be consistent and clearly explain what you mean.

I admit it must be very confusing to someone who hasn't listened to their presentations on the matter.


If you listen to it, let me know if you have thoughts on it. I already knew your thoughts on me.

[Brian Peacock]

You tied Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy together in the 2nd post quoted above. I pointed out that you basically contradicted yourself between that post and the next one you posted to this thread. The issue here isn't my supposed failure to understand what somebody has said about Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy elsewhere, but your failure to be consistent and clearly explain what you mean.

I admit it must be very confusing to someone who hasn't listened to their presentations on the matter.


If you listen to it, let me know if you have thoughts on it. I already knew your thoughts on me.

See, the bolded text above.

[Cunt]

You tied Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy together in the 2nd post quoted above. I pointed out that you basically contradicted yourself between that post and the next one you posted to this thread. The issue here isn't my supposed failure to understand what somebody has said about Ivermectin and vaccine hesitancy elsewhere, but your failure to be consistent and clearly explain what you mean.

I admit it must be very confusing to someone who hasn't listened to their presentations on the matter.


If you listen to it, let me know if you have thoughts on it. I already knew your thoughts on me.

See, the bolded text above.

Simply put, there are reasonable reasons offered for having vaccine hesitancy. They discuss some of those reasons in the discussions you haven't listened to.

I understand you don't want to listen to it, or review their discussion. It's funny how interested you are in everything BUT their news. I certainly have nothing to teach you, unless it involves running. Why not find me 'wrong' about that subject? If you succeeded, you get the joy of proving me wrong, and I get the joy of refining my knowledge about a favourite sport.

[Seabass]

Not exactly, but you would know if you had listened to them, rather than trying to prove something about me...

Or you could listen to them, for such.

Good to know you also didn't listen to them, nor do you know even the most basic things about them.

I admit it must be very confusing to someone who hasn't listened to their presentations on the matter.


If you listen to it, let me know if you have thoughts on it. I already knew your thoughts on me.

I understand you don't want to listen to it, or review their discussion. It's funny how interested you are in everything BUT their news.

Shut the fuck up, you enormous Cunt. You won't even read a well-known short essay on fascism or a short article on black farmers in the US, but you whine incessantly when people won't watch your stupid right-wing vlog.

And when Hermit, glutton for punishment that he is, eventually watches it and either debunks it or explains how you misunderstood it, you'll just ignore him and pretend it never happened.

Shut the fuck up, fuck off, you fucking troll.

[Cunt]

Not exactly, but you would know if you had listened to them, rather than trying to prove something about me...

Or you could listen to them, for such.

Good to know you also didn't listen to them, nor do you know even the most basic things about them.

I admit it must be very confusing to someone who hasn't listened to their presentations on the matter.


If you listen to it, let me know if you have thoughts on it. I already knew your thoughts on me.

I understand you don't want to listen to it, or review their discussion. It's funny how interested you are in everything BUT their news.

Shut the fuck up, you enormous Cunt. You won't even read a well-known short essay on fascism or a short article on black farmers in the US, but you whine incessantly when people won't watch your stupid right-wing vlog.

And when Hermit, glutton for punishment that he is, eventually watches it and either debunks it or explains how you misunderstood it, you'll just ignore him and pretend it never happened.

Shut the fuck up, fuck off, you fucking troll.

Since this is allowed here, I'll switch to dissenter to respond to you, as I think responding in kind could result in one of us being fairly banned.

[Tero]

Antivaxxer Clapton to play concerts:
Eric Clapton has announced that he will not perform at U.K. concert venues that require proof of vaccination for entry.

The statement follows a recent message from U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who said that nightclubs and other event locations hosting large crowds must require visitors to provide verification of their vaccine status.



Read More: Eric Clapton Says He Won't Play to 'Discriminated' U.K. Audiences | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/eric-cl ... m=referral

[Cunt]

there is a joke about 'Tears In Heaven' there, but I don't want to look for it. I loved that song.