
The Reign of Trump
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In English?Forty Two wrote:So, a President running on "change" should be a candidate "not too radically different from past administrations..." -- so the whole idea of someone, like, say, Obama, who was such a dramatic change that he was going to be completely transparent, and he would make the oceans stop rising, and all that... that was just nonsense, and what the people were voting for when they screamed like 14 year old Beatles fans was "not too different from past administrations..."?pErvin wrote:Last night it started to become very real in my head. Fuck, if this habitually lying narcissistic man-child wins the race for the most powerful job in the world, what does that say about Western civilisation and how horribly we've got it all wrong over the years? Things must be at real desperation stages if a modern educated society can elect such an utter joke for President. I guess we saw a glimpse of it with Bush Jnr, but man, this is on a whole new level. At least with Bush, the establishment were still able to pull the strings behind the scene so as to result in a President not too radically different from past administrations. No one is going to pull the strings of such an egomaniac as Trump. Honestly, I think if he gets elected, somehow someone connected with the Republican establishment will attempt to have him assassinated. And if Hillary wins, Trump supporters will try and off her. What a fucking shambles.

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I think that he's saying that change for change's sake can be a good thing...
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tax cuts for the rich
WPIf Congress undid a Medicare payroll tax, McDonough said, it would “actually implement one of the largest tax cuts on high-income families ever.”
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In summary, America has got the President it richly deserved... 

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I shouldn't be enjoying all the unbelievable butthurt as much as I am. I can't stop laughing out loud at my FB feed, it's fucking hilarious. You'd think we just heard an extinction level asteroid was heading our way and there's fuck all we can do about it. I'm actually feeling a bit guilty and sorry for them, they're just so lost and terrified.
Nah, I'm lying. It's fucking delicious, like the tender heart of a newborn illegal immigrant infant simmered in white wine and chicken stock with a hint of tarragon. MOAR BUTTHURT! I needs it like Hillary needed those slackers who couldn't drag their sorry asses to the polls.
Nah, I'm lying. It's fucking delicious, like the tender heart of a newborn illegal immigrant infant simmered in white wine and chicken stock with a hint of tarragon. MOAR BUTTHURT! I needs it like Hillary needed those slackers who couldn't drag their sorry asses to the polls.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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It is a pretty fucking sorry state of affairs, though. You just elected a totally inexperienced temperamental child to the top job in the world. I'd be pretty shocked to realise I was living in a country with that many stupid people (the ones who voted for him).
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-invi ... hone-call/
Trump invites Netanyahu to White House in phone call

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Trump invites Netanyahu to White House in phone call

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What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?
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What about Israel funding their own defense now like Trump says the non-white Asians have to?
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If there is a brave person who would try to pull this programme to anything like normality it would still be a terrible plan.Will Donald Trump destroy America?With Democrats defeated and Republicans scared to step out of line, Donald Trump’s control over the three branches of the US government means this horror show hasn’t yet begun
Always quick to get to the point, social media came up with an instant distillation of the global response to the improbable, unsettling election of Donald Trump as president of the United States: #RIPAmerica.
That hashtag declared that we had witnessed something more than a simple change of government. (Such a slogan would not have circulated had Mitt Romney beaten Barack Obama in 2012.) Instead, it implied that Trump had not merely taken over the running of the United States for four years, but that his presidency represented a much darker threat – that it would, in fact, destroy the country.
Of course, Twitter is prone to the hyperbolic and hysterical. But more sober commentators were raising a similar prospect, albeit in not quite such stark terms. David Remnick, the editor of the New Yorker, spoke for many when he wrote: “The election of Donald Trump to the presidency is nothing less than a tragedy for the American republic, a tragedy for the constitution, and a … sickening event in the history of the United States and liberal democracy … It is impossible to react to this moment with anything less than revulsion and profound anxiety.” For the millions who shared that sentiment, dawn on Wednesday felt like mourning in America.
What they fear is that Trump will make good on all the promises – and threats – he made during these last 18 months. What if he goes ahead and deports 11.3 million undocumented migrants? What if he really does ban all Muslims entering the country? What if he tries to use the powers of the state to go after media organisations that have criticised him – making life difficult for the businesses that own inquisitive newspapers such as the Washington Post, for example – as he has said he will? What if he overturns abortion rights, even imposing “some form of punishment” on a woman who terminates a pregnancy, as he once suggested? And what if he really does build that wall?
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Do you believe that crap? More fool you.
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I don't believe it or disbelieve it. It's what Trump has said, and what he has been saying. With any candidate, we must go by what they have promised and stated. The great thing about Trump is that more than Hillary he has stated his positions, some of which have been very un-Republican (of the last 30 years) and certainly anti-establishment, and he has gone on record as to what a successful Trump Presidency will be. We can hold him to it.Scot Dutchy wrote:Do you believe that crap? More fool you.
If he doesn't increase the GDP growth, from 2% to 3 or 4%,then he failed.
If he does not get the labor participation rate up from its floundering current level, then he has failed.
If he does not stem the flow of American industry out of the country, then he has failed.
If he does not revamp trade deals to be fairer, then he has failed.
If he does not bring fairness and reform to the immigration system, then he has failed.
If he does not repeal and replace Obamacare, then he has failed.
You wouldn't be able to say that about Hillary, because like all the polished and honed traditional candidates before her, everything is hedged, and carefully worded.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Why would Israel have to fund a defense? Does someone want to attack them? Who wants to attack Israel?pErvin wrote:What about Israel funding their own defense now like Trump says the non-white Asians have to?

“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Naivety top.
With the help of America Israel finds itself in the position it in.
With the help of America Israel finds itself in the position it in.
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What if he goes ahead and deports 11.3 million illegal aliens? Well, then there would be 11.3 million illegal aliens returned to their home country. However, what he's said is more nuanced than deporting everyone (and 11.3 million is a low estimate as to the number of illegal aliens - it's a big problem, and one that has been addressed multiple times over the decades, and always dishonestly -- amnesty, with promises to fix the system to prevent it from happening again. Always, the amnesty is accepted, and the system is never fixed.
What if he does ban all Muslims entering the country? Again, his position is more nuanced than that. But, what he's said is that he will temporarily restrict immigration from countries where there is a big problem with Islamic terrorism. The reason is that we are not properly vetting immigrants from these countries, and every intelligence person commenting on the topic has said that if you accept waves of so-called "refugees" then ISIS and other groups will use that to get operatives into the US. So we need to set up a better screening and vetting system so we know whose coming in.
He has never suggested he would use the power of the state to go after media organizations for criticizing him.
He has no power to "overturn abortion rights." Look, the Guardian ought to look to its own back-yard on abortion rights. Abortion is restricted in the UK, to the same extent as it is in the US, and women don't have some "constitutional right" to abortion in the UK. You have statutes restricting abortion, requiring doctors to agree that the procedure is necessary, and limiting abortion severely after 22 weeks of pregnancy. So, why aren't these jerks clamoring for expanded abortion rights in the UK?
The most Trump could do is appoint a supreme court justice, who may or may not change the 40+ years of court opinions since Roe v Wade. That's very unlikely, as the individual right to abortion in the US is a very solidly supported constitutional right, which cannot be abrogated by law. That's not the case in the UK, which can change the law anytime via act of parliament. Here in the US, no state law and no federal law can take away woman's right to abortion up through about 21 weeks. I've heard Europeans talk about the US system of constitutional rights that cannot be abrogated by the will of the people to be very undemocratic and backwards. the majority should be able to determine the law. Well, that's what a reversal of Roe v Wade and other abortion cases would do. It wouldn't "make abortion illegal" it would just mean that it's up to the lawmaking body - our parliaments - the legislatures.
Why is it o.k. for the UK to not have a constitutional right to an abortion, and to place limitations on abortions legislatively, but that concept is something described as "horrific" if allowed to exist in the US?
Would it be o.k. for the US to change abortion law to allow abortions up through and including 23 weeks, but thereafter require there to be substantial threat to the mother in order to allow an abortion? What about having a requirement that a woman state her reasons for wanting an abortion? What about a requirement that two doctors must ensure that the requirements of the law are fulfilled, and they must both sign the relevant certificate?
Would it be o.k. for the US to have the kind of abortion law that exists in Northern Ireland? https://www.mariestopes.org.uk/overseas ... rn-ireland
An illegal abortion in the UK is punishable under the Offenses Against Persons Act of 1861. The only abortions allowed must be in conformity with the Abortion Act of 1967. Violation of that law -- such as a 25th week abortion which was not necessary under the legal criteria or did not have doctor certifications, etc., -- is a punishable crime - imprisonment is one of the punishments.
So, where is the Guardian screed against the "horrors" that is the abortion law in the UK?
Don't get me wrong - I am pro-choice, and I am glad women have a "right" to abortion. But, let's keep this all in perspective. Under the US system right now, a legislature or lawmaking body cannot limit a woman's right to abortion. It's outside of the realm of democratic processes. In order to just make it subject to a majority vote in our legislature, Trump would have to (a) get a pro-Life judge appointed to the supreme court, (b) have an abortion case make it all the way to the Supreme Court, and (c) have 5 of the 9 justices agree on a majority opinion overruling 40+ years of settled jurisprudence which as been upheld over-and-over-again. And, only THEN would the law be handed over to the state legislatures, which would have to engage in the political process where, like in the UK, the parliament members discuss and debate what the law should be, and then make a law based on what the people want (as represented by their elected representatives).
What if he does ban all Muslims entering the country? Again, his position is more nuanced than that. But, what he's said is that he will temporarily restrict immigration from countries where there is a big problem with Islamic terrorism. The reason is that we are not properly vetting immigrants from these countries, and every intelligence person commenting on the topic has said that if you accept waves of so-called "refugees" then ISIS and other groups will use that to get operatives into the US. So we need to set up a better screening and vetting system so we know whose coming in.
He has never suggested he would use the power of the state to go after media organizations for criticizing him.
He has no power to "overturn abortion rights." Look, the Guardian ought to look to its own back-yard on abortion rights. Abortion is restricted in the UK, to the same extent as it is in the US, and women don't have some "constitutional right" to abortion in the UK. You have statutes restricting abortion, requiring doctors to agree that the procedure is necessary, and limiting abortion severely after 22 weeks of pregnancy. So, why aren't these jerks clamoring for expanded abortion rights in the UK?
The most Trump could do is appoint a supreme court justice, who may or may not change the 40+ years of court opinions since Roe v Wade. That's very unlikely, as the individual right to abortion in the US is a very solidly supported constitutional right, which cannot be abrogated by law. That's not the case in the UK, which can change the law anytime via act of parliament. Here in the US, no state law and no federal law can take away woman's right to abortion up through about 21 weeks. I've heard Europeans talk about the US system of constitutional rights that cannot be abrogated by the will of the people to be very undemocratic and backwards. the majority should be able to determine the law. Well, that's what a reversal of Roe v Wade and other abortion cases would do. It wouldn't "make abortion illegal" it would just mean that it's up to the lawmaking body - our parliaments - the legislatures.
Why is it o.k. for the UK to not have a constitutional right to an abortion, and to place limitations on abortions legislatively, but that concept is something described as "horrific" if allowed to exist in the US?
Would it be o.k. for the US to change abortion law to allow abortions up through and including 23 weeks, but thereafter require there to be substantial threat to the mother in order to allow an abortion? What about having a requirement that a woman state her reasons for wanting an abortion? What about a requirement that two doctors must ensure that the requirements of the law are fulfilled, and they must both sign the relevant certificate?
Would it be o.k. for the US to have the kind of abortion law that exists in Northern Ireland? https://www.mariestopes.org.uk/overseas ... rn-ireland
An illegal abortion in the UK is punishable under the Offenses Against Persons Act of 1861. The only abortions allowed must be in conformity with the Abortion Act of 1967. Violation of that law -- such as a 25th week abortion which was not necessary under the legal criteria or did not have doctor certifications, etc., -- is a punishable crime - imprisonment is one of the punishments.
So, where is the Guardian screed against the "horrors" that is the abortion law in the UK?
Don't get me wrong - I am pro-choice, and I am glad women have a "right" to abortion. But, let's keep this all in perspective. Under the US system right now, a legislature or lawmaking body cannot limit a woman's right to abortion. It's outside of the realm of democratic processes. In order to just make it subject to a majority vote in our legislature, Trump would have to (a) get a pro-Life judge appointed to the supreme court, (b) have an abortion case make it all the way to the Supreme Court, and (c) have 5 of the 9 justices agree on a majority opinion overruling 40+ years of settled jurisprudence which as been upheld over-and-over-again. And, only THEN would the law be handed over to the state legislatures, which would have to engage in the political process where, like in the UK, the parliament members discuss and debate what the law should be, and then make a law based on what the people want (as represented by their elected representatives).
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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