No Porn Please, We're British

[ronmcd]

But I'm not aware of any evidence that the law in Scotland has been particularly problematic to implement or given rise to any more contentious cases than other laws. Some degree of interpretation and exception is normal in law, and there's no reason to suggest that a legal change will need to be immune to the need for that to be workable. Law is almost never that simple.

I suspect there have been no convictions, to be honest, I've certainly never heard of any. I guess the only way a punter watching rape porn in Scotland would ever be discovered would be if they had their computer analysed by the police, on an unrelated investigation. Or if they were being actively pursued for child porn, in which case they'll be going to prison for that.

(edit for nonsense)

[mistermack]

Of course, the real test of a law is, does it work?

Since a significant percentage of porn videos and stills could be classed as depicting rape, there must have been hundreds of thousands of such downloads in Scotland already, since the law was passed.

The newspapers must be full to the brim with the cases.

[ronmcd]

They will hardly take the word of a dumb cunt like you though, will they?

You're playing the Assembly Rooms at the Fringe this year, aren't you? Looking forward to it!

[mistermack]

They will hardly take the word of a dumb cunt like you though, will they?

You're playing the Assembly Rooms at the Fringe this year, aren't you? Looking forward to it!

I've heard that you do a little performance too, for the doctors and nurses. So sweet with his kilt and his bagpipes.

[Strontium Dog]

I see no reason why footage of consensual sex between adults should ever be illegal. Frankly, moralising fascists can go fuck themselves (but not film it, obviously).

I'm not sure there is any suggestion footage (or images) of consensual sex would be illegal. That necessarily excludes rape.

Simulated rape is obviously consensual, but will be banned. It's already banned in Scotland and punishable by a three year prison term, which I find absolutely chilling.

[ronmcd]

They will hardly take the word of a dumb cunt like you though, will they?

You're playing the Assembly Rooms at the Fringe this year, aren't you? Looking forward to it!

I've heard that you do a little performance too, for the doctors and nurses. So sweet with his kilt and his bagpipes.

Kilts, bagpipes, jock, salmond ... don't forget Mel Gibson & Braveheart for the full Jock-bigot bingo!

[mistermack]

They will hardly take the word of a dumb cunt like you though, will they?

You're playing the Assembly Rooms at the Fringe this year, aren't you? Looking forward to it!

I've heard that you do a little performance too, for the doctors and nurses. So sweet with his kilt and his bagpipes.

Kilts, bagpipes, jock, salmond ... don't forget Mel Gibson & Braveheart for the full Jock-bigot bingo!

Gonnay naaaaw day thaaaaat !!
I'm the rightful king of Scotland.

[ronmcd]

I see no reason why footage of consensual sex between adults should ever be illegal. Frankly, moralising fascists can go fuck themselves (but not film it, obviously).

I'm not sure there is any suggestion footage (or images) of consensual sex would be illegal. That necessarily excludes rape.

Simulated rape is obviously consensual, but will be banned. It's already banned in Scotland and punishable by a three year prison term, which I find absolutely chilling.

Well yes, I know, that's what I've been arguing for a page or two, even though rape porn is simulated (the intent is simulated) it's illegal in Scotland and will be illegal in England & Wales soon.

But consensual sex with the intent of creating rape porn, creating the illusion of a real rape, the actors may be consenting but that can hardly be excused in the law if it's indistinguishable from the real thing. As noted earlier, in Scots law it can be a defense for those who took part, under certain circumstances, one being the images/videos weren't meant for distribution.

I'm unsure of my own view, to be frank, but I suppose I would ask this question: if someone were able to create 100% realistic child porn without their being a child involved (dont ask me how, Ive no idea) and pedos searched the material out ... would you ban that material, and make it illegal to own? You could surely argue the material itself, apparently depicting something not consensual or legal, in explicit detail, made to appeal to the sickos ... it would be harmful in it's own right, as harmful in a societal sense even if no child was involved. On that basis, wouldnt violent rape porn potentially be the same?

I dunno.

[ronmcd]

They will hardly take the word of a dumb cunt like you though, will they?

You're playing the Assembly Rooms at the Fringe this year, aren't you? Looking forward to it!

I've heard that you do a little performance too, for the doctors and nurses. So sweet with his kilt and his bagpipes.

Kilts, bagpipes, jock, salmond ... don't forget Mel Gibson & Braveheart for the full Jock-bigot bingo!

Gonnay naaaaw day thaaaaat !!
I'm the rightful king of Scotland.

Deep fried mars bars. You forgot deep fried mars bars.

Hmmmmm, deep fried mars bars .... *drool*

[Strontium Dog]

But consensual sex with the intent of creating rape porn, creating the illusion of a real rape, the actors may be consenting but that can hardly be excused in the law if it's indistinguishable from the real thing.

I think you'll find it's pretty obviously distinguishable from the real thing. Real rape victims don't tend to have the foresight to set a video up in their home to capture the whole thing.

I'm unsure of my own view, to be frank, but I suppose I would ask this question: if someone were able to create 100% realistic child porn without their being a child involved (dont ask me how, Ive no idea) and pedos searched the material out ... would you ban that material, and make it illegal to own?

Well, that material is already illegal to own. As to whether it should be, I'd say only if harm can be demonstrated.

[ronmcd]

I think you'll find it's pretty obviously distinguishable from the real thing. Real rape victims don't tend to have the foresight to set a video up in their home to capture the whole thing.

The production values may be distinguishable. The acts may not.

[Brian Peacock]

"Every householder connected to the internet will have their access to online porn blocked.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... users.html

Nope. The service providers and the gov have agreed to an opt-in system called 'active choices' or something, not an opt-out system, so we can disregard everything The Mail has to say and get to wondering why Cameron would resort to pushing such outrageous propaganda so brazenly?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 10076.html

EDIT: Quote tags fixed - KR

[Thinking Aloud]

"Every householder connected to the internet will have their access to online porn blocked.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... users.html

Nope. The service providers and the gov have agreed to an opt-in system called 'active choices' or something, not an opt-out system, so we can disregard everything The Mail has to say and get to wondering why Cameron would resort to pushing such outrageous propaganda so brazenly?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 10076.html

Sounds like something I read a few weeks ago, when the ISPs were all saying, "no chance". Of course, what the Govt might do now, to try to save face, is to actually create legislation to force ISPs... blah blah.

[mistermack]

Deep fried mars bars. You forgot deep fried mars bars.

Hmmmmm, deep fried mars bars .... *drool*

No I didn't.

What you choose to stick up your ass is your own business.

[Strontium Dog]

I think you'll find it's pretty obviously distinguishable from the real thing. Real rape victims don't tend to have the foresight to set a video up in their home to capture the whole thing.

The production values may be distinguishable. The acts may not.

Er, what? People acting out a rape scenario is obviously an extremely different thing from someone actually being raped. Hence why one is not a crime while the other is.