Iran Warns US to Stay Out of Persian Gulf, or Else.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:21 pm

Nor pilots. Nor the people who train pilots. This is why the Chinese carrier is "amusing".
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:49 pm

I'd be interested to see what the plan is for maintaining the expertise through the "carrier-gap", as 'Zilla says, building the carrier is almost the easy part....
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:51 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Roundabouts. Hope the USN can hold the fort until the cavalry arrive...
We'll be waiting. :levi:

BTW, will you still have anyone who knows how to conduct carrier ops then? I hear it's slightly more complicated that rowing a swan barge down the Avon.
We'd probably have to read the manuals...

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:56 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:I'd be interested to see what the plan is for maintaining the expertise through the "carrier-gap", as 'Zilla says, building the carrier is almost the easy part....
I've been involved with flight ops on a LHA, and they're more complex than the layman can imagine. On 4.5 acres of sovereign US territory the matter gets even worse. Simply keeping up with the parking of the planes and moving them around to launch is beyond the capabilities of current shipboard computers. It takes a team of humans to do the job, and they train for years to master that little dosey-do. :smug:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:16 pm

From Aviation Week:-
Top Royal Navy and Royal Air Force officials are now working on a plan to maintain skills. A series of agreements is now being finalized to ensure that both piloting and deck-handling skills are maintained. Included is securing a commitment from the U.S. and France to embed U.K. staff on their carriers.
French and US carriers? Wonder if they take off on the wrong side of the flight deck....
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:22 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:From Aviation Week:-
Top Royal Navy and Royal Air Force officials are now working on a plan to maintain skills. A series of agreements is now being finalized to ensure that both piloting and deck-handling skills are maintained. Included is securing a commitment from the U.S. and France to embed U.K. staff on their carriers.
French and US carriers? Wonder if they take off on the wrong side of the flight deck....
The islands were located so as to divert planes away from them if the wheels collapsed on landing and the propeller dug into the deck and pulled the bird around.

And, as you've seen, we have endless footage of airplanes crashing into the island. :fp:
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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:09 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:
Eddie wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Russia/EU/US/China in a shootin' war over Iran? Nah.
Not really over Iran, but rather to protect their own interests in that region. China is rather dependent on Iranian oil.
China also pretty dependent on selling stuff to the US...so they may huff and they may puff but that'll be all
All we have to do is promise China we'll let them have the oil they need from a "New Iran" and they will sit it out.

They don't care who's in charge so long as they get their oil.
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Post by Seth » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:12 pm

klr wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Roundabouts. Hope the USN can hold the fort until the cavalry arrive...
We'll be waiting. :levi:

BTW, will you still have anyone who knows how to conduct carrier ops then? I hear it's slightly more complicated that rowing a swan barge down the Avon.
We'd probably have to read the manuals...

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Re: Iran Warns US to Stay Out of Persian Gulf, or Else.

Post by Ian » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:51 pm

January 6, 2012, 1:00 pm
U.S. Military Rescues Iranians Captured by Pirates

Thirteen Iranians whose fishing vessel had been seized by pirates in November were rescued by the United States Navy in the North Arabian Sea, the Pentagon announced on Friday. The pirates, who surrendered without a fight, were detained aboard the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis, the military said, adding that the Iranians were on their way home.

It was the second time in a week that the carrier, which left the Persian Gulf for the North Arabian Sea late last month, found itself at the center of the news during a tense and very public standoff with Iran. On Tuesday the Iranian military warned that it would take unspecified action if the aircraft carrier returned to the gulf...
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Maybe the US should only return the Iranians on the condition that Tehran admits that they're acting like a bunch of poop-heads, and that they'll retract their demand to keep US carriers out of the Gulf.

Nah, that won't happen. The Navy will just turn over the Iranian fishermen. Y'know why? 'Cause we're the good guys, believe it or not. 8-)

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:01 pm

This may make events in the coming days even more shakey. It is only human to expect one good deed to lead to another but the Iranians are not going to give the US a cohesive handshake for a bunch of fishermen with the sanctions biting. :smoke:
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Post by JimC » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:22 pm

The fishermen will be shot when they are returned, for putting their government in an embarrassing position...
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Post by Gallstones » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:42 am

Who actually owns the Persian Gulf?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:54 am

Gallstones wrote:Who actually owns the Persian Gulf?
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Post by Seth » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:31 am

JimC wrote:The fishermen will be shot when they are returned, for putting their government in an embarrassing position...
They should ask for asylum...
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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:56 am

Ian wrote:Nah, that won't happen. The Navy will just turn over the Iranian fishermen. Y'know why? 'Cause we're the good guys, believe it or not. 8-)
We could sail them back on the Stennis.

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