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Post by JimC » Wed May 26, 2021 9:26 pm

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I just dont understand the Ozland government is not moving on vaccination faster or is this a state thing again?
I think that there are 3 main factors:

* Apart from a handful of tiny outbreaks, our case and death numbers have been very, very low in the last few months, leading to a lack of urgency in both government and public minds, in comparison with the clear and evident need in other parts of the world where the pandemic is still raging. This has changed recently, with the realisation that opening up to the world will only be sensible when high numbers of vaccinations have been achieved.

* Vaccine hesitancy in a proportion of the public, fuelled by a tiny number of blood clotting cases.

* A degree of incompetence on the part of the Federal Government. The States are pushing for more vaccine supply, which is organised by the feds.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed May 26, 2021 9:35 pm

Yeah. It sounds typical Oz. "Why do anything". Just sit back and take another beer. Well that how it was in Queensland. They were so laid back they could not stand up. I still cant get over how you bring your own beer and just drink it all night and go home pissed. Why have a party?
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed May 26, 2021 9:37 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:The usual deceitful re-framing: 'the frenzy to dismiss the lab leak hypothesis'

A vociferous element in the right wing media world was and generally still is heavily pushing the 'CHINA done it!!!' conspiracy talking point. But to hear our leftie member tell it, the 'frenzy' is actually taking place among those who've pushed back against accepting that line of thinking without any real evidence.
It's terrible isn't it? It's the damn woke again, cancelling certain science to protect Chy-na and its media rubes and gaslighting decent, deeply concerned, rational people by maliciously denying the lab leak idea is a viable hypothesis.

I bet that when they were kids they'd wait till mom was out of the room, kick themselves in the shins, burst into tears, and then blame their little brother.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Joe » Wed May 26, 2021 10:03 pm

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They overtly SAY it is dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

If you can find an example of a 'stealth-edit' of articles about that, feel free to post it. If you can't, I'll consider that proof that you can't find any.

Stealth edits would be pretty clear evidence that news/media were deliberately dishonest, I think.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ti ... ar-AAKlIOr

How and why did this happen? For one, efforts to discover a natural source of the virus have failed. Second, early efforts to spotlight a lab leak often got mixed up with speculation that the virus was deliberately created as a bioweapon. That made it easier for many scientists to dismiss the lab scenario as tin-hat nonsense. But a lack of transparency by China and renewed attention to the activities of the Wuhan lab have led some scientists to say they were too quick to discount a possible link at first.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) from the start pointed to the lab’s location in Wuhan, pressing China for answers, so the history books will reward him if he turns out to be right. The Trump administration also sought to highlight the lab scenario but generally could only point to vague intelligence. The Trump administration’s messaging was often accompanied by anti-Chinese rhetoric that made it easier for skeptics to ignore its claims.

As a reader service, here is a timeline of key events, including important articles, that have led to this reassessment. In some instances, important information was available from the start but was generally ignored. But in other cases, some experts fought against the conventional wisdom and began to build a credible case, rooted in science, that started to change people’s minds. This has led to renewed calls for a real investigation into the lab’s activities before the coronavirus emerged.
'...but was generally ignored'

I suspect this won't satisfy whatever you are uncertain about either. Maybe try restating.
Now Cunt, don't make a federal case of it. I showed you that your example didn't show what you said it did and told you you needed another.

As for stealth edits, isn't that more suited to the Media Bias thread? :{D

However, I'm on break, so I'll show you a little one. See the part of your quote I made blue? That's the reporter's interpretation. Looking a little further, in the timeline, the fourth item is
Jan. 26: The Washington Times publishes an article with the headline: “Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China’s biowarfare program.” An editor’s note is added March 25: “Since this story ran, scientists outside of China have had a chance to study the SARS-CoV-2 virus. They concluded it does not show signs of having been manufactured or purposefully manipulated in a lab.”
Sounds like a consensus is forming dismissing the possibility of the lab leak, but look at the editor's note on the Washington Times website
Editor’s note (March 25, 2020): Since this story ran, scientists outside of China have had a chance to study the SARS-CoV-2 virus. They concluded it does not show signs of having been manufactured or purposefully manipulated in a lab, though the exact origin remains murky and experts debate whether it may have leaked from a Chinese lab that was studying it.
So maybe not so much of a consensus after all. ;)

Is that stealthy enough?
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Post by Cunt » Wed May 26, 2021 11:54 pm

So your sources never suppressed the lab leak hypothesis.

But it sounds like Fauci changed his mind again. This time about whether he funded the Wuhan lab to research gain of function.

Sounds legit. At least to those acting as his stenographers.
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Post by Joe » Thu May 27, 2021 3:39 am

That was your source, although I thought you considered the Washington Post less than reliable. :coffee:
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Post by Cunt » Thu May 27, 2021 3:45 am

Lots of people were dismissive of it too early. Obviously not anyone important, and it's not like it matters a lot. Mere semantics.

I consider it all pretty unreliable. Especially in the first day or two as a story 'breaks'

Speaking of which, did Infallible Fauci just flip-flop again, this time on whether he remembered funding gain of function research in Wuhan?

And I'm seeing stories that Biden stopped the Trump investigation into the origins in Chyna, while Biden is being reported as stepping up the investigation into the origins in China.
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From Parler. Of course.

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Yeah, laugh it up. Before long, you'll find chilling phrases like 'transmissible vaccine' and instead of wondering if it's real, wondering how real it is...
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

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Yeah, laugh it up. Before long, you'll find chilling phrases like 'transmissible vaccine' and instead of wondering if it's real, wondering how real it is...
New topic: Transmissible vaccines. Great. Worth creating a new thread for it, even. Until someone starts one I'll comment on it here.

Transmissible vaccines are not going to happen unless they facilitate the spread of the nanobots with which our minds can be controlled via those 5G towers. Bill Gates is very mindful of the ROI factor, especially now that his estranged wife is about to walk out with a substantial portion of his assets.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

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Hermit wrote:
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Cunt wrote:
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Yeah, laugh it up. Before long, you'll find chilling phrases like 'transmissible vaccine' and instead of wondering if it's real, wondering how real it is...
New topic: Transmissible vaccines. Great. Worth creating a new thread for it, even. Until someone starts one I'll comment on it here.

Transmissible vaccines are not going to happen unless they facilitate the spread of the nanobots with which our minds can be controlled via those 5G towers. Bill Gates is very mindful of the ROI factor, especially now that his estranged wife is about to walk out with a substantial portion of his assets.
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Transmission is a potential property of live viral vaccines that remains largely unexploited but may lie within the realm of many engineering designs. While likely unacceptable for vaccines of humans, transmission may be highly desirable for vaccines of wildlife, both to protect natural populations and also to limit zoonotic transmissions into humans. Defying intuition, transmission alone does not guarantee
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I guess my worry is, though Mark might well be another fantasist, some things really can be spoken into being. Or can look that way.
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Post by JimC » Thu May 27, 2021 5:38 am

The concept of a "transmission-able vaccine" is very wooly. Its only connection to scientific reality is for vaccines that contain a live but attenuated virus.

No current covid vaccine is in this category... :tea:
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How long, JimC? They start sniffing around, I give them on the order of 10 years.
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Cunt wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 5:08 am
Hermit wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 4:39 am
Cunt wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 4:12 am
Yeah, laugh it up. Before long, you'll find chilling phrases like 'transmissible vaccine' and instead of wondering if it's real, wondering how real it is...
New topic: Transmissible vaccines. Great. Worth creating a new thread for it, even. Until someone starts one I'll comment on it here.

Transmissible vaccines are not going to happen unless they facilitate the spread of the nanobots with which our minds can be controlled via those 5G towers. Bill Gates is very mindful of the ROI factor, especially now that his estranged wife is about to walk out with a substantial portion of his assets.
Many years ago, Robert Heinlein invented the waterbed. In fantasy. (he was a fantasist)
A bit later, someone did it in reality, added the actual work, and invented the ones of our youth.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30686635/
Transmission is a potential property of live viral vaccines that remains largely unexploited but may lie within the realm of many engineering designs. While likely unacceptable for vaccines of humans, transmission may be highly desirable for vaccines of wildlife, both to protect natural populations and also to limit zoonotic transmissions into humans. Defying intuition, transmission alone does not guarantee
Oh, THAT doesn't sound cocky at ALL, Mark.
Oh don't mistake my jokes as disbelief that any of this will become reality. It is gallows humour about stuff we can't change. I don't think for a moment that the powerful people, be they Bezos, Gates, Murdoch, Gates or the multi-billionaires you never heard of want it, will have it made and will use it to control us. There is nothing we can do to prevent it from coming.

For all I know, I'll get the nano-bots implanted this coming Monday, and at the end of August the second jab will activate them. AI software will tell me what to do and what to refrain from doing via the 5G network from then on. If not, something like that will be developed and implemented later.

Heinlein was a bit late with his waterbed. In one shape or another they have been built since 1833. As far as predictions go he was also quite unambitious. Mind and body control of sorts via microchips have been predicted in science fiction I read during the mid-sixties. I posted a brief summary of it four years ago.
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Something like that will become science fact unless we blow the planet up or poison it completely beforehand.
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