All Things Trump: The Return Of The King

[Cunt]

Isn't it always a threat to democracy if anyone who isn't far-left wins?

[JimC]

There is no-one in US politics who is far left. In Oz, Bernie Sanders would be a centrist Labour Party politician...

[Cunt]

Worldwide, the far left won't even admit they are far left. Same for far right, I guess. But there IS a clear divide most people understand in the US, even if you DO believe neither side is left enough to be left to you.

That left pushed away many people, aside from the very public losses (RFK, Gabbard, Dave Rubin, Tim Pool etc.)

[JimC]

Worldwide, the far left won't even admit they are far left. Same for far right, I guess. But there IS a clear divide most people understand in the US, even if you DO believe neither side is left enough to be left to you.

That left pushed away many people, aside from the very public losses (RFK, Gabbard, Dave Rubin, Tim Pool etc.)

There are far left people in the US, sure. But you were talking about far left people being elected. There are simply none in the political system that have been, or could be, elected politicians.

[Cunt]

I think you have a weird definition of 'far left'. I would consider anyone on the left, who would use terrorism (like the tesla attacks) or terrorism (like directing their followers to conduct the tesla attacks) or terrorism such as claiming to put on a protest, while committing illegal acts (blocking traffic/access or threatening people) as far-left.

So maybe I'm a bit too hair-trigger to label someone 'far', but I think illegal political action is a fair place to draw that line.

[JimC]

I think you have a weird definition of 'far left'. I would consider anyone on the left, who would use terrorism (like the tesla attacks) or terrorism (like directing their followers to conduct the tesla attacks) or terrorism such as claiming to put on a protest, while committing illegal acts (blocking traffic/access or threatening people) as far-left.

So maybe I'm a bit too hair-trigger to label someone 'far', but I think illegal political action is a fair place to draw that line.

You seem to have no idea of the meaning of "far left". In effect, far left views are Marxist in orientation, want to see the dismantling of the capitalist system, the abolition of free enterprise and most private property, and that society and the economy should be run by an over-arching one party state. They may overlap with some social elements of modern progressive movements, but the far left in the past was not necessarily a friend of the gay movement, for example.

As far as people involved in property damage such as the Tesla attacks, they are part of an anarchist fringe whose actions are often counter-productive to progressive moments in general. Then you mention protests; events that block traffic for a time but involve no violence against people or property are scarcely terrorist!

But you also did not engage my main point, which is that there is simply no example of a truly far left elected politician in the US, and never has been...

[Tero]

Yosemite broken. Yellowstone next?
https://www.sfgate.com/california-parks ... i17SwTs27w

[Cunt]

I think you have a weird definition of 'far left'. I would consider anyone on the left, who would use terrorism (like the tesla attacks) or terrorism (like directing their followers to conduct the tesla attacks) or terrorism such as claiming to put on a protest, while committing illegal acts (blocking traffic/access or threatening people) as far-left.

So maybe I'm a bit too hair-trigger to label someone 'far', but I think illegal political action is a fair place to draw that line.

You seem to have no idea of the meaning of "far left". In effect, far left views are Marxist in orientation, want to see the dismantling of the capitalist system, the abolition of free enterprise and most private property, and that society and the economy should be run by an over-arching one party state. They may overlap with some social elements of modern progressive movements, but the far left in the past was not necessarily a friend of the gay movement, for example.

Well, the farthest left government officials in Canada are very firmly behind the gay movement ( )

As far as people involved in property damage such as the Tesla attacks, they are part of an anarchist fringe whose actions are often counter-productive to progressive moments in general. Then you mention protests; events that block traffic for a time but involve no violence against people or property are scarcely terrorist!

I would say if a politician raises funds to bail out the rioters (they are too cowardly or important to riot themselves) then they count as 'far-left'.

But you also did not engage my main point, which is that there is simply no example of a truly far left elected politician in the US, and never has been...

You define far-left too narrowly for us to use the same language. I suggest we scrap both 'far-left' and 'far-right' if we want to understand each other.

Crimes like threats, rioting, obstructing traffic, or supporting those financially or even via social media encouragement, should be considered 'far' whether left or right. No need to treat those going that far as 'moderate' really.

As to no far left politicians in the US...has there ever been one? Are there modern examples of far left politicians? Or is it a case of 'real communism hasn't ever happened'?

[JimC]

Again, you fail to realise the Marxist nature of the label "far left" - it has a very straightforward economic and political definition. "Progressive" movements are a much vaguer thing...

As far as "Crimes like threats, rioting, obstructing traffic" you are lumping a variety of activities in a rather silly way. Property damage, violence or threats of violence are of course crimes, whoever instigates them, and should be dealt with by law enforcement. Protest marches are legitimate forms of political activity when peaceful. They will of course be disruptive to traffic to a degree, usually fairly briefly. Deliberate, long-term blocking of normal traffic may well draw a police response - in my view, such actions can often be counter-productive to protestor's agenda, reducing support from an inconvenienced general public.

[Cunt]

Right, but I'm saying that crime isn't a protest, it's something else. It's especially gross because a few usually use the protest crowd to facilitate their criminal activities.

So things like obstructing traffic without a permit, vandalism or threats are 'far', while lawful protest would be just left or right.

Anyone poisoning a protest in that way should be called out and even detained by legitimate protestors. Unless of course they are providing cover willingly...then they aren't protesting, are they?

[pErvinalia]

Obstructing traffic doesn't make you far left or right. That's ridiculous.

[Cunt]

What would the left do about Trump and his mandate, if it weren't for activist judges?

LAWFARE: Judge Boasberg—the activist judge actively obstructing Trump’s agenda—has a daughter whose NGO offers legal aid to illegal immigrants, including members of MS-13 and the TdA gang. The NGO is indirectly funded by taxpayers through USAID grants.

If the government cuts funding to USAID, it might make Boasberg even MORE obvious about his politicking from the bench.

[Sean Hayden]

You’re being played Cunt.

Republicans Keep Turning to the Same Texas Judges to Block Biden’s Policies

The party has made a habit of “judge-shopping” in the Northern District of Texas, and there’s no mystery why.

https://newrepublic.com/article/165730/ ... n-policies

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It’s sad, but the public facing side of the US government is abhorrent.

[Cunt]

You’re being played Cunt.

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It’s sad, but the public facing side of the US government is abhorrent.

How do you think I'm being 'played'?

I already knew judge-shopping was a thing. For both sides.

[Sean Hayden]

Cool. I don’t remember you talking about it when Republicans were blocking Biden.

Anyway, why accept the Republican spin regarding this judge? That’s what comes across as being played.