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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:00 pm

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Evans-Pritchard has had a hard-on for the Clintons for decades now, and is a purveyor of far-right conspiracy theory fantasies. (The FBI was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing, Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster murdered.) He called Starr the 'Pontius Pilate of the Potomac' presumably because of Starr's failure to prosecute the Clintons for the supposed murder. In Evans-Pritchard's fever dream Starr would have been party to the cover-up; Kavanaugh worked for Starr, so he would also would be part of the imaginary cover-up. The article Forty Two linked to is behind a paywall, but given its author I question its veracity.
Huh - weird. So we don't believe this one, then.

Well, I agree, because when I read it, what stood out was the lack of detail. The guy was shown his own witness statement (which he would have signed) and claims it was doctored by the FBI agents involved. He blames Kavanaugh for "witness intimidation" by saying that the witness was subjected to surveillance beforehand and was scared - but no mention of how or why he thinks Kavanaugh was behind it. Also, the testimony that was supposedly "wandering" and "wild" - not a single example of a question. No transcript - but not even a summary of what was asked and why it was inappropriate.

It was not a believable article, because it really didn't give us anything that we or anyone else can verify, and doesn't even explain in reasonable detail the allegations we're expected to believe. Sound familiar?

It's not just sexual assault claims that need to be vetted and verified and corroborated. Any claim should be subjected to the rules of logic and reason and the "baloney detector toolkit." A 36 year old sexual assault claim is no exception.
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

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You missed my question.

How many times do you return to such a party (without doing something to stop it) before you consider yourself complicit?
He, Kavanaugh, puked on the way home. Does not remember. Did the girl say yes? No, she was passed out. But she didn’t say no.
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

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Forty Two wrote:
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
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She actively particated in activist activities, like marching with brain pussy hats at anti-Trump rallies. But, really, is she an activist or not? I guess it depends on how active you have to be to be called an activist. It doesn't matter to me if she is or isn't one. Her story makes zero sense and she's told different versions of it.
What evidence do you have that she was 'marching with brain pussy hats at anti-Trump rallies'? Are you merely parroting debunked lies from 4chan?
According to a 2017 story in a local newspaper in California, which said, long before she made up her allegations against Kavanaugh this year - “Pleasanton knitter Eilene Cross made ‘brain caps’ for the upcoming March for Science, to be worn by friend Christine Blasey of Palo Alto.” https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/21/ ... the-nerds/
On what basis are you saying that Ms Ford made up her allegations about Mr Kavanaugh?
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

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Tero wrote:
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You missed my question.

How many times do you return to such a party (without doing something to stop it) before you consider yourself complicit?
He, Kavanaugh, puked on the way home. Does not remember. Did the girl say yes? No, she was passed out. But she didn’t say no.
Pukes some more next day. ”I don’t remember anything. Good party.”

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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

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Tero's inability to answer is as funny as any part of this. I hope he notices how uncomfortable that question is.

It's hard to talk about complicity, so lets take it away from sex assault.

Is Feinstein complicit in the leak? If she saw the criminal leak happening, and didn't stop it, then didn't report it, is she complicit?
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:22 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
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L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:01 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:41 pm
She actively particated in activist activities, like marching with brain pussy hats at anti-Trump rallies. But, really, is she an activist or not? I guess it depends on how active you have to be to be called an activist. It doesn't matter to me if she is or isn't one. Her story makes zero sense and she's told different versions of it.
What evidence do you have that she was 'marching with brain pussy hats at anti-Trump rallies'? Are you merely parroting debunked lies from 4chan?
According to a 2017 story in a local newspaper in California, which said, long before she made up her allegations against Kavanaugh this year - “Pleasanton knitter Eilene Cross made ‘brain caps’ for the upcoming March for Science, to be worn by friend Christine Blasey of Palo Alto.” https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/21/ ... the-nerds/
Your portrayal of her as participating in 'anti-Trump rallies' is inaccurate, if all you can point to is her attending a single event which your own source describes as more pro-science than anti-Trump.
But faced with a threat, the sprawling community is pulling together as tightly as an ionic bond.

Over time, it’s grown into more than just a march — there are also “Teach-Ins,” science fairs and Earth Day festivals in places ranging from NASCAR-loving Martinsville, Virginia, to an expedition ship in frozen Antarctica.

“It’s a science party!” said biostatistician Christine Blasey, of Palo Alto, who will wear an elaborately knitted cap of the human brain — yarn turned into a supersized cerebral cortex — inspired by the “pussy hats” donned during the Women’s Marches.
We have one instance of Blasey Ford participating in a March for Science. How does that morph into your claim that she's an activist because she participated in multiple anti-Trump rallies?
Come off it! Science is clearly part the liberal elite hegemony that's strangling innovation and stopping America from being great again. Anyone who criticises Trump exposed themselves as a partisan enabler of the Marxist/Liberal agenda to overthrow true American values, to disarm the population, abort children up to the fourth trimester, let all the Islamics and Mexican rapists in, and to steal the wealth of the hard working entrepreneurs, hedge fund managers, and corporate lackeys upon which this great nation depends.
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:40 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:08 pm
Forty Two wrote:
L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:01 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:41 pm
She actively particated in activist activities, like marching with brain pussy hats at anti-Trump rallies. But, really, is she an activist or not? I guess it depends on how active you have to be to be called an activist. It doesn't matter to me if she is or isn't one. Her story makes zero sense and she's told different versions of it.
What evidence do you have that she was 'marching with brain pussy hats at anti-Trump rallies'? Are you merely parroting debunked lies from 4chan?
According to a 2017 story in a local newspaper in California, which said, long before she made up her allegations against Kavanaugh this year - “Pleasanton knitter Eilene Cross made ‘brain caps’ for the upcoming March for Science, to be worn by friend Christine Blasey of Palo Alto.” https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/21/ ... the-nerds/
On what basis are you saying that Ms Ford made up her allegations about Mr Kavanaugh?
I've previously noted that she has told different versions of the story which have material inconsistencies. She first said that it occurred in the mid-1980s (when she was about 17 or 18), then it morphed to the early 1980s, and finally settled on 1982, when she was 15. The location of the house changed. The layout of the rooms in the house changed. The people at the party changed (several conflicting accounts). She had the event burned into her head because it was so traumatic, but cannot identify how or when she got to the party or who drove her there (but she remembers she did get their in a car). She changed her story about how she left the party after she left the bathroom. She said she ran out into the street, and despite it being impossible for her to call anyone, she managed to get home, even though she was too far to walk and she remembers being driven home by someone (only she cannot remember who that was, and nobody came forward to say "I drove her home" from that party).

Judge says Kavanaugh did not do it, and that he doesn't have any recollection of such a party ever taking place. Keyser says she has no recollection of any such party taking place, and she even wants to believe Ford - that's the one other girl that was at the party - a party that (sometimes) has 4 boys there, two of which were supposedly in the room with Kavanaugh (leaving 1 or 2 boys downstairs depending on which day you're listening to Ford, and Keyser. Keyser - Ford's good friend - saw Ford "run" (Ford says she ran) through the (morphing floorplan) and out of the house into the street without saying anything. Ho hum - the one other girl at the party just bolted out the door -- nobody asks "Kav - Judge - dudes - what happened up there? Why did Blasey just run out the door???" Her good friend never once wonders about the Irish Exit? You o.k.? What happened? Where did you go? How did you get home? Nothing? Some friends. Even good-boy PJ doesn't know what she's talking about.

Also, the actual records and photos of her house confirm that the "two front door" story (advanced by Ford as the reason she mentioned the incident (without mentioning Kavanaugh's name at all) to her therapist was due to her anxiety about needing an escape route. The second door was put in years prior in order to accommodate strangers living in her house (tenants of part of her home), and prior to that, she didn't mention the need for another exit point.

And, let me put on this little girl voice for you - I've practiced and practiced my delivery -- he he he what's "exculpatory" mean? Oh, that polygraph test of two questions was just so grueling... I got through it.. .it's o.k.... I'm totally traumatized.

Pull the other one, "Dr." Ford, it's got a bell on it.
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Regarding Kavanaugh's involvement in the Starr investigation:
Mr. Kavanaugh served under Mr. Starr as associate independent counsel between 1994 and 1997, and then again in 1998. Although not yet a judge, he was charged with investigating impartially what Attorney General Janet Reno deemed substantial accusations of misconduct arising from a failed real estate investment known as Whitewater.

Judge Starr’s predecessor as independent counsel, Robert Fiske, had looked into unfounded claims that the White House counsel Vincent Foster, who committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park in 1993, had in fact been murdered as part of an alleged White House cover-up related to Whitewater. After a thorough investigation, Mr. Fiske concluded in 1994 that there was nothing to the conspiracy theories and that Mr. Foster, who suffered from depression, had indeed killed himself. Official accounts by the National Park Service in 1993 and by a Republican congressman, William Clinger, the ranking member of the House Government Affairs Committee in 1994, came to an identical conclusion, as did a bipartisan report of the Senate Banking Committee early in 1995.

But shortly after the Senate report was released, Mr. Kavanaugh convinced Mr. Starr to reopen what he called a “full-fledged” investigation of the Foster matter, telling his colleagues, as justification, that “we have received allegations that Mr. Foster’s death related to President and Mrs. Clinton’s involvement” in Whitewater and other alleged scandals.

Who were these unnamed, presumably reliable sources on whose word the case should be reopened? Mr. Kavanaugh’s files in the National Archives make clear that they were some of the most ludicrous hard-right conspiracy-mongers of the time.

One was Reed Irvine, a self-appointed debunker of the “fake news” of mainstream media. Another was Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, an English author of a book entitled “The Secret Life of Bill Clinton” that posited that the Oklahoma City bombing was an F.B.I. plot gone awry. A third was Christopher Ruddy, today the chief executive of Newsmax and confidant of President Trump, but at the time on the payroll of the right-wing tycoon Richard Mellon Scaife to promote conspiracies.

As inventive as they were vindictive, these partisans concocted all sorts of wild theories to explain why Mr. Foster could not have killed himself. According to one of Mr. Kavanaugh’s sources, Mr. Foster had been working for the National Security Agency and was being blackmailed by the Israelis over a secret Swiss bank account. Carpet fibers had been found on Mr. Foster’s clothing, which was proof positive that he was murdered, his body wrapped in a carpet and then dumped. Another charged that “long blond hairs” on Mr. Foster’s clothing pointed to a cover-up.

Mr. Kavanaugh noted in various memos that he personally believed that Mr. Foster had indeed committed suicide — “my thoughts, not the Office’s position,” he clarified at one point. But he did not file away the harebrained theories; instead, he apparently felt obligated to address the conspiracy-mongers’ already disproved fantasies. And for nearly three years at a cost of $2 million he aggressively followed up. He investigated the Swiss bank account connection, down to examining Mr. Foster’s American Express bills for flights to Switzerland. He meticulously examined the White House carpets, old and new. (By now, Mr. Foster had been dead four years.) He sent investigators in search of follicle specimens from Mr. Foster’s bereft, blond, teenage daughter. (“We have Foster’s hair,” one agent working for Mr. Kavanaugh reported in triumph.)

Mr. Kavanaugh apparently took a special interest in Hillary Clinton’s bruited affair with Mr. Foster, a popular rumor in the fever swamps of the right. As he reported, his investigators “asked numerous people about it,” before he decided to ask Mrs. Clinton herself.

Of course, Mr. Kavanaugh proved nothing new, as there was nothing new to prove except in conspiratorial illusion. But there was nothing funny about his Inspector Clouseau performance. For months, his inquiries callously harassed a grieving family and Mr. Foster’s friends. His office spread malicious sexual innuendo about Hillary Clinton, whom he seems to have regarded as prey. By reopening a closed investigation, he irresponsibly gave the Foster conspiracy freaks credibility to continue smearing the Clintons and poison public debate for another three years, all at the taxpayers’ expense.

[Source: New York Times--limited free articles after which paywall is triggered.]

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And let's not forget that Mr Kavanaugh is a bastion of earnest consistency.
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You know who WAS a bastion of earnest consistency.

Christopher Hitchins.

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Owners of the three most famous penises in American politics:
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Three real pricks!

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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:52 pm

And, whose house was it? PJ's (no). Kavanaugh's (no). Mark Judge (no). Keyser's (no). Was it her own house? (no).

At most, there was one other person there, so it's that guy's house. She doesn't say who that is, though.

She knows there was ONE other male at the party she attended at which she was so traumatically sexually assaulted that it has effected her for her entire life, and it still makes her cry to tell it. She remembers EVERYONE ELSE at the party, except the one person whose testimony could sink the whole thing.

If we knew whose house it was, we could ask that person about it, and maybe find out that there was no such party, or that Ford's account of what went on is not accurate. It's not as if she is being asked to remember one person out of a a party of many people. She doesn't remember the HOST of the party, when she remembers - she says - everyone else who was at the party (well, she remembers now -- previously she had different numbers of people attending, so, who knows...?). You remember four attendees, but not the person who hosted the party.

And, this is at a time in her life when she didn't attend many parties. Remember - she told the committee that she wasn't really allowed out late, and most of this popular group's parties occurred at night when she wasn't allowed out. She was just 15. Were there so many parties that she attended at so many people's houses that this one just blended in? She can't drive -- and she had parents who would really be pissed off if she was "drinking beer with boys" -- so she was terrified to mention being almost raped to them.... she wasn't allowed out late enough to attend the same parties Kavanaugh attended -- but, she was invited to someone's house (the one attendee we don't know is the host of the party) - she was driven there by someone (not anyone at the party) -- and it was early, during the day -- and she remembers she was at "the country club" earlier and left there and was driven to the party (by whom we don't know, but we can be 100% sure she was driven there), to go to the person she doesn't remember's house, and all the other people there have no idea who the bost could be because none of them have any idea what Blasey Ford is talking about....?

And, of course, we don't know who picked her up afterwards (having cut the whole thing short - she was just going to go take a piss -- she wasn't leaving) - and then she runs out of the house. Someone picked her up, she's sure, but we can't possibly figure out who. Nobody comes forward. Or, will she next say that she remember walking for miles on her own, in shock over the incident?

We're supposed to believe this?
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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:57 pm

dupe
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Tero » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:10 pm

The house is pinned down, see cnn
Oh sorry, just the penis waggling place
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna916146

See my post p 42 for link
Tim Gaudette was a classmate of Kavanaugh’s at Georgetown Prep who became the subject of interest after his name was listed on Kavanaugh’s calendar from that time as hosting a gathering that included Kavanaugh, Mark Judge and other friends for “skis,” or beers, on July 1, 1982, around the time when Ford alleges she was assaulted by Kavanaugh.

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Re: Kavanaugh hearing

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:22 pm

Tero wrote:
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The house is pinned down, see cnn
Oh sorry, just the penis waggling place
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna916146

See my post p 42 for link
Tim Gaudette was a classmate of Kavanaugh’s at Georgetown Prep who became the subject of interest after his name was listed on Kavanaugh’s calendar from that time as hosting a gathering that included Kavanaugh, Mark Judge and other friends for “skis,” or beers, on July 1, 1982, around the time when Ford alleges she was assaulted by Kavanaugh.
Wish in one hand, crap in the other, and see which one fills up first, Tero.

That calendar provides a lot of extra detail. Did it jog Ford's memory? Does she now say she was at that party? I bet she would say it most certainly wasn't that day/location. I suspect she won't claim that to be the party, as Keyser absolutely wasn't there at the Timmy brewski thing, and she says she never met Kavanaugh (so she wasn't going to "brewski" get togethers after football practice with a bunch of guys).

The brewskis at Tim Gaudette's house was after "Tobin's house" for the football workout, which was from 6 to 8pm in the evening (just before dark), THEN to Timmy's house for brewskis. At night. Remember, Dr. Ford, the innocent, tender 15 year old was not allowed out late, and the party she refers to was during the day, after she left her country club from swimming. And, nobody at the July 1 brewskis remember her being there - there were no girls there - she wasn't there.

Tim Gaudette's house was in Rockville, Maryland - nowhere near the location Dr. Ford said was the "party" she claims to have been driven to by an unknown person (not attending the party), and which was attended by Keyser (Keyser said she doesn't know Kavanaugh - didn't know him in high school - she wasn't at "Timmy's house for Brewskis...").

If Ford said "I think the party was on July 1, at Tim Gaudette's house" it proves she's not telling the truth, even if she believes it.

The story is not believable. The only reason the public statements on this are so careful to dance around the issue is the mob comes out in force nowadays. You get jaggoffs in droves stopping people at elevators and mobbing them in restaurants demanding that if you don't believe dr. ford, you are saying every abuse victim is lying. Sometime soon, though, maybe today, it's going to be acceptable to say that Dr. Ford's story doesn't make sense and has been evolving in contradictory ways, and there is not a shred of reason or proof for any of it. I can't wait.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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