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[Coito ergo sum]

You're describing the situation under Bush. Obama is going further, and claiming he can do all this, and still use any information obtained in court due to "exigent circumstances".

Not really. The government can claim whatever it wants, even that the Miranda warnings should never be required and that Miranda v Arizona was wrongly decided.

The public safety exception that they're talking about has existed for many years, but the issue is whether this given situation falls within that exception. That will be up to the court, if the government offers answers to custodial interrogation questions at trial.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO READ HIM HIS RIGHTS. They don't have to read ANYONE their rights.

I.e -- cops can pick him up, arrest him, book him, and wait to read the rights. The reading of the rights is if the cops want to use the answers to convict him. That's where the exceptions come in. Sometimes, not reading rights won't prevent a confession under custodial interrogation from being admitted -- like - if a victim is thought to be in danger and you have to ask the guy where she is in order to save her and the clock is ticking. Then that will likely not bar admission of the cop's testimony about the conviction.

Remember - what we're talking about is a cop taking the stand to testify what the guy said - an admission.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They also only have to read him his rights once. If he forgets that anything he says can be used in court.

[Coito ergo sum]

They also only have to read him his rights once. If he forgets that anything he says can be used in court.

Yeah - I don't think it matters anyway. All this focus on Miranda. Just state the Miranda warning once, real quick, and have done with it. It's not like the reading of the rights is what is going to keep his mouth shut.

Such nonsense... like he's not aware that he has the right to remain silent. The guy has been in the US for 15 years -- like he doesn't know that.

And, reading him the rights isn't going to make him suddenly go "jeez - I was going to spill the beans, but now I won't."

I think people confuse "reading" the rights with "being afforded" the rights. He still has a right to remain silent, whether someone reads him that right or not. He still has a right to an attorney, whether he is read that right or not.

He could be deprived an attorney if he is going to be considered an enemy combatant. So that issue is an important one to discuss. But the fucking Miranda rights? They mean very little in this context.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I worked with a Phoenix PD officer who was on the original Miranda case. He tries not to mention this to law enforcement officers from other cities when he meets them.

[Tero]

No combatant status! How will they waterboard him now?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No combatant status! How will they waterboard him now?

Head first?

[Seabass]

large number of whackjobs you have in the US who talk about overthrowing the gubmint

Is it inconceivable that they might try and overthrow him (or some other Dem president) one day?

Sure, but you listen to people like Seth (and I'm led to believe there are a quite a few people like him)

Rofl, dude. I can't believe you say this shit with a straight face. You really do have a massively distorted view of the U.S.

Contrary to what your left-wing blogs and "rationalist friends in the US" say, most Americans, like most people, are apolitical.

In order to overthrow our government, we'd first have to turn off the T.V., put down the Doritos, and get up off the couch. THAT'S HARD.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Too much TV.

[Cormac]

large number of whackjobs you have in the US who talk about overthrowing the gubmint

Is it inconceivable that they might try and overthrow him (or some other Dem president) one day?

Sure, but you listen to people like Seth (and I'm led to believe there are a quite a few people like him)

Rofl, dude. I can't believe you say this shit with a straight face. You really do have a massively distorted view of the U.S.

Contrary to what your left-wing blogs and "rationalist friends in the US" say, most Americans, like most people, are apolitical.

In order to overthrow our government, we'd first have to turn off the T.V., put down the Doritos, and get up off the couch. THAT'S HARD.

The great truth of this, and all other ages.

[Bella Fortuna]

[Tero]

You might be able to get them off the couch with a $20 coupon to Sam's Club.

[pErvinalia]

large number of whackjobs you have in the US who talk about overthrowing the gubmint

Is it inconceivable that they might try and overthrow him (or some other Dem president) one day?

Sure, but you listen to people like Seth (and I'm led to believe there are a quite a few people like him)

Rofl, dude. I can't believe you say this shit with a straight face. You really do have a massively distorted view of the U.S.

The thing is, you don't hear any of this talk in other countries. There aren't whole organisations and militias that are purposed for this very thing. This sort of insanity just doesn't exist in Australia and I presume virtually every other civilised country. Are you denying that there are organisations and militias that exist for this purpose?

Contrary to what your left-wing blogs and "rationalist friends in the US" say, most Americans, like most people, are apolitical.

So? America is a very large country. You only need a very small percent of nutjobs for it to add up to a not-insignificant number.

In order to overthrow our government, we'd first have to turn off the T.V., put down the Doritos, and get up off the couch. THAT'S HARD.

Well I'll let Seth answer for that. I believe the militias etc certainly do manage to turn off the TV and get up of the couch.

You seem to be saying because most Americans are apathetic, that they are all apathetic. Top logic.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Get out of your cave, come visit the US. Invite yourself to Bella's. Hell, come to California for the 2014 Train Wreck. You can save your pennies for that. See what the fuck you're talking about first hand.

[Seabass]

large number of whackjobs you have in the US who talk about overthrowing the gubmint

Is it inconceivable that they might try and overthrow him (or some other Dem president) one day?

Sure, but you listen to people like Seth (and I'm led to believe there are a quite a few people like him)

Rofl, dude. I can't believe you say this shit with a straight face. You really do have a massively distorted view of the U.S.

The thing is, you don't hear any of this talk in other countries. There aren't whole organisations and militias that are purposed for this very thing. This sort of insanity just doesn't exist in Australia and I presume virtually every other civilised country. Are you denying that there are organisations and militias that exist for this purpose?

Contrary to what your left-wing blogs and "rationalist friends in the US" say, most Americans, like most people, are apolitical.

So? America is a very large country. You only need a very small percent of nutjobs for it to add up to a not-insignificant number.

In order to overthrow our government, we'd first have to turn off the T.V., put down the Doritos, and get up off the couch. THAT'S HARD.

Well I'll let Seth answer for that. I believe the militias etc certainly do manage to turn off the TV and get up of the couch.

You seem to be saying because most Americans are apathetic, that they are all apathetic. Top logic.

Yeah, when eight dudes in camo and combat boots from Arkansas manage to overthrow the U.S. government, I'll give you all my cash and belongings.

[pErvinalia]

Disingenuous argument is disingenuous. I never said they would succeed. I'm talking about a ridiculous state of affairs where it is encouraged in some sectors of your society that overthrowing the government coz someone thinks the constitution says something else is a good idea. It's a frankly retarded state of affairs, and people on this very forum (including yourself, as a Libbo, no doubt) argue is a good thing.

And Zilla, I'm not sure what coming to America to hang out with progressives will do for my understanding of the nutjobs in the US. There's plenty on the net cataloguing the crazy that is one of your two major political parties. This is from only 3 days ago:

We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us [know] that we are serious. The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives. It seems that we are unable to muster that belief in any of our representatives on a state or federal level, but we have to have something, something costly, something that they will fear that we will use if they step out of line.

If we can’t shoot them, we have to at least be firm in our threat to take immediate action against them politically, socially, and civically if they screw up on something this big. Personally, I think a gun is quicker and more merciful, but hey, we can’t.

But we have to do something, we have to gain control of our representatives, if we don’t then what the hell are we doing as a party except having fundraiser dinners and meetings just to raise more money for future meetings and fundraisers, and giving money to empower and elect those who would betray us without having the control to keep them in line once we do?

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