Guns Used.....cont

[MrJonno]

People love watching fictional heroes and anyone who actually wants to be one of these is extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous, as in those jobs almost certainly spend most of their time trying to avoid being heroes as well. Well the ones that want to stay alive do anyway

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Can we change the subject line to "The Hall of Anecdotal Evidence"?

[FBM]

People love watching fictional heroes and anyone who actually wants to be one of these is extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous, as in those jobs almost certainly spend most of their time trying to avoid being heroes as well. Well the ones that want to stay alive do anyway

Horseshit. Your rhetoric and imaginary universe is no less ridiculous than the ones the rabid gun nuts live in. The only way people in those jobs could avoid being heroes is by not doing their jobs. Wtf. Firemen would stand around and scratch their balls while people burned up. Paramedics would give a half-hearted chest compression or two, blow in the general direction of the victim's mouth, then say, 'Wup. Reckon he's dead. Bag 'im up and let's head to Waffle House.' When a horse kicked and damn near broke my leg off while I was riding 5 miles deep in a national park, even though it was off-season and they were working on a skeleton staff, the park rangers scrambled a team together to hike in, stabilize my leg, then carry my heavy fat ass 5 miles through the forest back to the ranger station where an ambulance could pick me up. Yeah, they were doing their job, but they weren't "just" doing their job. The whole fucking reason they wanted that job in the first place was to help people who needed it when they needed it most, ie, be a fucking hero. That whole team was my hero that day and I'd tell anyone who thinks that they are deluded and childish for wanting to do the work they do to fuck off. You've obviously never needed emergency services or know anybody who has dedicated their lives/chosen their careers to helping others. Damn straight they want to be heroes. Why? Because they're "extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous"? Fuck off. It's because they value human life and want to help people in dire need. Wumbologist is now ambulance staff. You want to call him "extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous" because he risks his life daily in order to help save others'? Piss on you. You can disregard, disrespect and belittle them all you want, but you're just exposing your own selfish, narcissistic delusions.

[MrJonno]

All emergency staff try to reduce risks as low as possible , ie to avoid heroism. They become heroes when this fails. Anyone who joins the emergency services to be a hero is likely to end up either dead or sacked

[Azathoth]

People love watching fictional heroes and anyone who actually wants to be one of these is extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous, as in those jobs almost certainly spend most of their time trying to avoid being heroes as well. Well the ones that want to stay alive do anyway

Horseshit. Your rhetoric and imaginary universe is no less ridiculous than the ones the rabid gun nuts live in. The only way people in those jobs could avoid being heroes is by not doing their jobs. Wtf. Firemen would stand around and scratch their balls while people burned up. Paramedics would give a half-hearted chest compression or two, blow in the general direction of the victim's mouth, then say, 'Wup. Reckon he's dead. Bag 'im up and let's head to Waffle House.' When a horse kicked and damn near broke my leg off while I was riding 5 miles deep in a national park, even though it was off-season and they were working on a skeleton staff, the park rangers scrambled a team together to hike in, stabilize my leg, then carry my heavy fat ass 5 miles through the forest back to the ranger station where an ambulance could pick me up. Yeah, they were doing their job, but they weren't "just" doing their job. The whole fucking reason they wanted that job in the first place was to help people who needed it when they needed it most, ie, be a fucking hero. That whole team was my hero that day and I'd tell anyone who thinks that they are deluded and childish for wanting to do the work they do to fuck off. You've obviously never needed emergency services or know anybody who has dedicated their lives/chosen their careers to helping others. Damn straight they want to be heroes. Why? Because they're "extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous"? Fuck off. It's because they value human life and want to help people in dire need. Wumbologist is now ambulance staff. You want to call him "extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous" because he risks his life daily in order to help save others'? Piss on you. You can disregard, disrespect and belittle them all you want, but you're just exposing your own selfish, narcissistic delusions.

I think you are missing the point here FBM. I am pretty sure Johnno is referring to the Hollywood style, charge in solo with all guns blazing kill all the bad guys, type of 'hero'.

[MrJonno]

An ambulance man doing their job no matter how well unless they are under personal danger (like someone shooting at them) is not a hero. A doctor saving someone life in a difficult operation is not a hero they may however be bloody good at doing an important job

A fireman could be risking their neck but his first responsibility is not to make himself a casualty or his colleagues. If that impossible then he can take start taking calculated risks

[Tero]

If the outdoor jobs did not pay so poorly and also deal with a confusing bureaucracy, I would have loved to be a park ranger. I could have been the hero tracking down hunters trying to extirpate wolves a second time.

But it's all politics now. City folks backing wolves, cowboys shooting them.

[FBM]

I think you are missing the point here FBM. I am pretty sure Johnno is referring to the Hollywood style, charge in solo with all guns blazing kill all the bad guys, type of 'hero'.

Hollywood style heroes include the innumerable doctors, firefighters, paramedics, etc. Never seen CSI? You don't have to have guns blazing to be a hero in Hollywood or anywhere else. Jonno said the wanna-be-hero mentality in general was "extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous". I donate monthly to the Somaly Mam Foundation because I admire the heroism of Somaly Mam in rescuing abused girls from sexual slavery, not because she shot up a bunch of people. Which she didn't. As far as I know. Though she would have also been justified in doing so, considering the circumstances.

If I may quote Jonno:

People love watching fictional heroes and anyone who actually wants to be one of these is extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous, as in those jobs almost certainly spend most of their time trying to avoid being heroes as well. Well the ones that want to stay alive do anyway

[FBM]

An ambulance man doing their job no matter how well unless they are under personal danger (like someone shooting at them) is not a hero. A doctor saving someone life in a difficult operation is not a hero they may however be bloody good at doing an important job

A fireman could be risking their neck but his first responsibility is not to make himself a casualty or his colleagues. If that impossible then he can take start taking calculated risks

Ambulance staff risk their lives by running top speed to the scene, firefighters risk their lives by entering extraordinarily dangerous places, soldiers risk their lives similarly, police officers put themselves in danger engaging violent criminals in order to prevent further violence, and for all of them the value of their health and welfare far exceeds their monthly salary. So I say fuck off to anyone who diminishes their efforts as "extremely immature and quite possibly dangerous". Piss off with all that spin and rhetoric. Your statements are qualitatively and logically no better than those of the gun nuts you're protesting against. Wrap your head around the reality of the words you choose before spouting off a bunch of distortion and politically self-serving horseshit. If you're ever in a life-threatening situation and need to call someone to save you, maybe you'll redefine your definition of what it means to be a hero.

[FBM]

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[Jason]

All emergency staff try to reduce risks as low as possible , ie to avoid heroism. They become heroes when this fails. Anyone who joins the emergency services to be a hero is likely to end up either dead or sacked

I think wumbologist mentioned that. Paramedics are barred from entering into a situation that puts them in personal danger because they could get injured themselves and require more paramedics on the scene or something like that.

[Seth]

Hmm , burgular with a firearm (who will only have one because they are easily avaliable to criminals no matter how draconian the gun control laws are) appears and instead of ringing the police and then doing exactly what the burgular tells you the person draws a gun and risks a gunfight in a house

Interesting concept of risk analysis there.

Which idiotic plan is amply debunked by the soldier and his wife who walked in on a burglar who shot them immediately.

You know most people grow out of wanting to be a hero by the time they stop being a teenager and they realise being a hero is extremely shit. I guess some people never grow up

Nothing at all heroic about defending your life and the life of your loved ones. It's a normal part of human behavior in the vast majority of members of the human species. There are of course anomalies and Darwinian dead-ends who think that just because they cooperate they won't get killed anyway. We find them in back rooms of stores, banks and other places where predators herd them to make it easy and safe to execute them.

First rule of the victim of a violent criminal attack: Never, ever let the criminal take you from the first location, because if you do the chances are extremely high that you are going to be murdered anyway, and just as high that your body will either never be found or will be cleansed of forensic evidence before being dumped, making it difficult or impossible to catch the killer. Always fight back at the first location with everything you have, even if you get killed for it, and do your best to leave as much trace evidence (like under your fingernails) as you can so that the police will have a better chance to capture your killer.

This rule does not apply to you MrJonno. You should bend over and take it up the ass first as an example of why others should fight back.

[Seth]

Here we go again:

Crime
An Army Veteran Plus a 9mm Handgun Equals a Bad Day for a Robber: ‘You Came Real Close to Losing Your Life’
Jan. 25, 2013 12:32pm Jason Howerton

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War Veteran Mark Sikes Uses Handgun to Scare Off Robber

Army veteran Mark Sikes (WAGA-TV)

A wheelchair-bound war veteran in Bogart, Ga. was targeted as a robbery victim. Given the fact that he is handicapped, the home burglar may have thought it would be the easiest job of his life.

Wrong.

Army veteran Mark Sikes told WAGA-TV he heard someone breaking down his front door. That’s when he pulled his 9mm handgun out of his drawer.

“Next thing I know there’s a man standing in the hallway of my house, looking in my bedroom,” he said. “I reached and got the gun out of my drawer and kind of raised it up…He took off and ran out the front door.”

The vet, who served as a military police officer in Korea, said he didn’t think twice about what action to take.

“It’s either gonna be me or him. One of us have got to go,” he said. “And this is my house, this is my home.”

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Athens-Clarke County Police are investigating the incident and looking for the suspect, who Sikes says was wearing all black and possibly had a getaway car waiting for him.

Now Sikes keeps his handgun even closer. In his interview with WAGA-TV, the veteran also told the man who tried to rob him he should be thankful he’s still alive.

“Find something else to do besides try to rob people,” he said. “Because you came real close to losing your life yesterday.”Source

[Seth]

Fuck with our gun rights at your peril, political, economic or personal:

Sports
Nation’s Biggest Sports and Outdoor Show Postponed Indefinitely Following Massive Boycott Over New Policy Banning Semi-Automatic Rifles
Jan. 24, 2013 5:30pm Jason Howerton

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Nations Biggest Sports and Outdoor Show Postponed Indefinitely Following Massive Boycott Over New Policy Banning Semi Automatic Rifles

Credit: AP

The largest sports and outdoor show in the United States has been postponed indefinitely following severe backlash over a recently enacted policy banning the display and sale of “modern sporting rifles,” or semi-automatic rifles. The Harrisburg Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show was originally scheduled for Feb. 2-10 in Harrisburg, Pa.

To put it into perspective how quickly gun owners pushed back, consider that the new policy was implemented on Monday and just five days later, on Friday, the show was postponed indefinitely amid the outcry.

Reed Exhibitions, the British-based organizer of the event, has not showed any sign of backing down on its ban of “modern sporting rifles.” Chet Burchett, president of Reed Exhibitions for the Americas, released the following statement:

“Our original decision not to include certain products in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show this year was made in order to preserve the event’s historical focus on the hunting and fishing traditions enjoyed by American families. In the current climate, we felt that the presence of MSRs [modern sporting rifles] would distract from the theme of hunting and fishing, disrupting the broader experience of our guests.

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It is unfortunate that in the current emotionally charged atmosphere this celebratory event has become overshadowed by a decision that directly affected a small percentage of more than 1,000 exhibits showcasing products and services for those interested in hunting and fishing. ESS has long been proud to participate in the preservation and promotion of hunting and fishing traditions, and we hope that as the national debate clarifies, we will have an opportunity to consider rescheduling the event when the time is right to focus on the themes it celebrates.”

The decision to ban legal rifles prompted boycotts by several companies, celebrities, conservation groups, outdoor media and outfitters including Cabela’s, Rough Country Outfitters, Ruger Firearms, Rough Country Outfitters, Ruger Firearms, International Bowhunting Organization, IScope, J & M Traditions, Katahdin’s Shadow Outfitters, Keystone Country Store, Major League Bowhunter, Masterpiece Outdoors, Inc. and hundreds more, Townhall’s Katie Pavlich reports.

“It’s a shame that it had to come to this and we feel sorry for everyone that has been affected by it,” Pat Ronsenberry, manager of Keystone Country Store, told TheBlaze. “I think Reed [Exhibitions] made a big business mistake on their behalf and everyone is kind of suffering from it.”

Rosenberry said the backlash stems from the wide support for the Second Amendment as it is written in the Constitution. One of the unintended consequences, she explained, is several vendors who aren’t even involved with the gun industry are being hurt by the decision.

Joe Staudt, owner of Staudt’s Gun Shop based in Harrisburg, Pa., told TheBlaze that the organizer’s decision was “very troubling” and it only “enables people to attack the Second Amendment.”

“My initial reaction when they decided to ban these rifles was obviously the fact that these weapons are perfectly legal,” he said. “A lot of states will allow people to hunt with a semi-automatic rifle so this term ‘assault weapon’ doesn’t really apply.”

Staudt said his company’s Facebook page was flooded with angry customers urging them to boycott the Harrisburg Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show. He added that he couldn’t in good conscience support the show without feeling like he was supporting their flawed policy.
Nations Biggest Sports and Outdoor Show Postponed Indefinitely Following Massive Boycott Over New Policy Banning Semi Automatic Rifles

Gun rights advocates demonstrate at the Pennsylvania Capital building Wednesday Jan. 23, 2013, in Harrisburg, Pa. The rally comes amid calls for a boycott of the nine-day Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show in Harrisburg next month, and a growing list of vendors pulling out of the show. Credit: AP

The National Rifle Association, a huge sponsor of the show, also released a statement Tuesday and announced it would be withdrawing from the show due to Reed Exhibitions’ ban on “modern sporting rifles.”

“Due to Reed Exhibitions’ refusal to reconsider their decision to ban Modern Sporting Rifles from the February 2-10 Eastern Sports Show in Harrisburg, PA, the National Rifle Association has decided to withdraw from the show. We had called on Reed Exhibitions to reconsider their decision; unfortunately they have steadfastly refused to do so. As a result, the NRA will not be participating in the upcoming show in Harrisburg or in any other shows hosted by Reed Exhibitions that maintain this policy. We are disappointed that Reed Exhibitions has ignored the concerns expressed by attendees, the outdoor industry and the NRA in not reconsidering their position to ban the display of Modern Sporting Rifles.”

Reed had initially refused to refund the fees to exhibitors, but changed their decision after the show was shut down, Townhall reports.

“Refunds will be provided for all fees paid to date (January 24, 2013) to Reed Exhibitions for the 2013 Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show. We will detail the refund process on our web site and in an additional email by January 31, 2013,” Reed Exhibitions reportedly wrote in an email to exhibitors Thursday.

In an effort to recoup any money and effort lost as a result of the show’s cancellation, Tom McConnell of MyNorthEastOutdoors.com will hold a “virtual show” for vendors on Feb. 2-10.

“This now will allow the vendors to sell their products online through this common market place, without the fret of having to make up huge monetary losses due to REED Exhibitions stance on weapons bans at the show,” he wrote in a statement.

“We will launch the Virtual Sports Show on Feb 2nd and run through Feb 10th, 2013. Only vendors who have boycotted the show will be permitted to have products on the website during this time.”

You can see the full boycott list by clicking here.

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[Jason]

Fuck with our gun rights at your peril, political, economic or personal.

Yes.. I've watched the ranting gun nutters on television programmes promising the slaughter of the 'sheeple' if anyone threatens their guns. Do you think this strengthens your position?