The Donald-thread

[JimC]

We at Rationalia headquarters fart in their general direction! Their mothers were dim hamsters!

[pErvinalia]

What is fair dealing?

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Research and private study

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The instruction is for a non-commercial purpose.
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The amount of the material quoted is no more than is necessary for the purpose.
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A typical example of this would be a case where a news broadcast inadvertently captured part of a copyright work, such as some background music, or a poster that just happened to on a wall in the background.
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Parody or pastiche

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For further details on UK fair dealing rules please refer to the Copyright Designs and Patents Act; Section 28 onwards covers this area in full.

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In cases that have come to trial what is clear is that it is the perceived importance of the copied content rather than simply the quantity that counts. Judges hearing such cases often have to make an objective decision on whether the use is justified or excessive.

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[Sean Hayden]

...the fact that he got the nomination, and got the amount of voter support he did, is at the very least somewhat disturbing...

...disturbing relative to what?

If you don't see it, no amount of explaining will make it clear to you. I started wondering about the mindset of American voters when the majority gave Reagan the nod. My concern grew when Bush Jr. was re-elected. The fact that Trump has been running neck and neck with Clinton for a couple of months tops the lot in the absurdity stakes, notwithstanding the facts that he is running against a bellicose Wall Street shill and the wheels are falling off his campaign wagon just now.

But I do understand you. Americans talk like this before they are old enough to vote, and they have for a very long time. In a way then, this is like talking to a know-it-all American teenager.

Still, nobody's perfect. American voters are not unique in being caught voting for idiots. So again, it's disturbing relative to what? To the UK voters who just surprised the elite by voting to leave the EU?

[pErvinalia]

You simply wouldn't get such an inappropriate buffoon seriously contending for the top job in any of the other anglo nations. Tony Abbott in Australia would be the closest, but even he is a mile in front of Trump in terms of intelligence, education, diplomacy and tact.

[Sean Hayden]

Never say never eRvin, just stay hopeful. I wouldn't wish him on anyone.

[JimC]

You simply wouldn't get such an inappropriate buffoon seriously contending for the top job in any of the other anglo nations. Tony Abbott in Australia would be the closest, but even he is a mile in front of Trump in terms of intelligence, education, diplomacy and tact.

It's a worry that we have started to use Abbott as a superior comparison...

[Animavore]

[Svartalf]

We at Rationalia headquarters fart in their general direction! Their mothers were dim hamsters!

and their dads smelt of whortleberries

[NineBerry]

of Wank Fnoglets

[Brian Peacock]

I have been taken up for quoting on an even shittier forum, really, copyrights are no joking matter.

Most copyright jurisdictions allow reproduction of material for the purposes of comment and analysis. As long as you're not reproducing the entire content of a page posting relevant snippets should be OK.

[Brian Peacock]

People like Trump are necessary to the political process as a normalisation definer. Now if only there was someone out there who could harness fears about the economic and social impact of climate change in the way he and the Brexiteers harnessed fears about the economic and social impact of foreigners....

[pErvinalia]

You simply wouldn't get such an inappropriate buffoon seriously contending for the top job in any of the other anglo nations. Tony Abbott in Australia would be the closest, but even he is a mile in front of Trump in terms of intelligence, education, diplomacy and tact.

It's a worry that we have started to use Abbott as a superior comparison...

Yeah, anyone who can make Abbott look like a suitable leader has got to be pretty fucking special.

[Hermit]

American voters are not unique in being caught voting for idiots. So again, it's disturbing relative to what?

Relative to the idiots they do vote for - en masse. As rEv mentioned, not even Tony Abbott, or pig-fucker comes within cooee of that arseclown Trump. Granted, Trump has not been voted into office, and I don't expect him to be, but the fact that he was polling neck to neck with Clinton for a couple of months has me really worried about you lot.

[Scot Dutchy]

American voters are not unique in being caught voting for idiots. So again, it's disturbing relative to what?

Relative to the idiots they do vote for - en masse. As rEv mentioned, not even Tony Abbott, or pig-fucker comes within cooee of that arseclown Trump. Granted, Trump has not been voted into office, and I don't expect him to be, but the fact that he was polling neck to neck with Clinton for a couple of months has me really worried about you lot.

You just cant trust the American electorate. That is what worries me.

[pErvinalia]

It's a good argument against democracy.