College or Daycare? What difference does it make?

[pErvinalia]

One thing to remember is that EVERY adult generation has whinged about how soft their kids are. 42 and Lak Lak's generation were soft little petals compared to their parent's generation. Basically, this is just old people whinging because the world is leaving them by.

the difference is that when it comes to college, things have never been easier.

QED. No need for me to read any further.

LOL - except that I proceeded to prove that assertion. There is objective evidence to support it.

As there was for your generation from the perspective of that generation's parents. But do continue to miss the point.

[Forty Two]

One thing to remember is that EVERY adult generation has whinged about how soft their kids are. 42 and Lak Lak's generation were soft little petals compared to their parent's generation. Basically, this is just old people whinging because the world is leaving them by.

the difference is that when it comes to college, things have never been easier.

QED. No need for me to read any further.

LOL - except that I proceeded to prove that assertion. There is objective evidence to support it.

As there was for your generation from the perspective of that generation's parents. But do continue to miss the point.

Except that you haven't proved THAT point. You've made the assertion, which you appear to believe is to be taken as true because you say it. You have not, however, shown that the generation before mine took more credits and less time to complete college, etc. I, on the other hand, demonstrated some basic, fundamental, objective facts which support the assertion that college students today have it easier than 30, 40, and 50 years ago. If you would like to prove your assertion that the college students of 50 and 60 years ago had it harder than the students of 30 years ago, then that assertion remains yours to prove.

[Cunt]

pErvin, may I ask what your educational background is? Your profession?

[Forty Two]

pErvin, may I ask what your educational background is? Your profession?

He majored in purple crayon colouring at the University of Middle-Aged South Wales.

[pErvinalia]

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The issue in the OP involves a college program for adults attending university. Color away your stress, they say, because, what? The 12 credits the average student takes in college is so difficult? What's so stressful? They hear opinions they don't like? They're over the age of 18 and their girlfriend broke up with them?

My take is what stresses other people is their business not mine

Certainly, but once you're using university resources, paid for via tuition and/or tax money, to fund toddler activities for adults, it becomes other people's business.

Colouring is supposed to have mental health benefits. So in case of stressed people, it's not "toddler activities".

Everyone is a stressed person.

What's that got to do with my comment?

In the case of people with a diagnosed mental disorder, sure it can be part of therapy, as can a lot of other things. But, we're not talking about therapy here. Therapy comes from a professional who is treating or caring for a patient.

Is that right, Dr Phil? One post ago you were talking about people helping themselves. Now they can only get help from professionals? You're just saying anything now to avoid admitting that the only basis for your complaint is that you are an old conservative.

- but that doesn't mean I have to remain deaf to their concerns, however seemingly trivial. Moralising over who should be stressed, by what, and to what extent doesn't get one very far -

Nor is it what I did. What helps me with stress is watching NFL football and having a few beers. Why do they get crayons and coloring books, but I don't get beer and the NFL Sunday Ticket package?

Because universities are organisations that provide services to people who are part of the organisation. Who do you expect to provide you with beer and NFL tickets?

I am talking to Brian, who would understand that my use of the word "I" was putting myself in the place of a student at the university.

Brian has an excellent grasp of English, unlike yourself, and would read it exactly the same way that I did.

If you need it spelled out so literally for you

You literally weren't referring to a hypothetical 'you as a university student'.

-- "What helps some students with stress is watching NFL football and having a few beers. Why don't they get beer and the NFL Sunday ticket?"

Because the university can't provide an unlimited number of services. They have to provide cost-effective services. Paying for beer and NFL tickets is unlikely to be very cost effective.

Now, if college students are exposed to and/or experience prolonged stress then that obviously has the potential to impact on their academic achievements - so regardless of whether I think they're being pussies or not it doesn't seem out of order for an educational institution to acknowledge it or to try remedies that aim to do something about it about it.

Everyone experiences stress, and there are wide varieties of stressors. Almost anything can be a stressor, and what is a stressor to some people is a big nothing to other people. And what relieves stress is likewise widely varied, and crayons may be relaxing to person X and porno movies may be relaxing to person Y and shooting at the gun range may be relaxing to person Z.

No one is forcing everyone, or every stressed person, to colour-in.

No, but they are supplying it. College students are perfectly capable to heading to the dollar store and picking up coloring books and crayons. I have no beef with someone like you who needs to color with crayons to avoid crumbling under the stress of choosing a major, but having a college program choosing coloring as the destressor of choice for students who use that to destress is rather arbitrary and unfair.

Won't somebody think of the persecuted liberals?!!

The rest of the students who are just as stressed, but are fairly normal and don't destress with coloring books are supposed to deal with their stressors themselves, I guess.

Yes that's right, you are guessing. You have no clue what other services this university provides for students.

Destressing at the gun range or destressing watching football won't be included.

It's not fair!!1

One might even say that if students are stressed then their educational institutions have some duty of care to acknowledge it, at the very least

Nonsense. These are adults. There is no duty of care that they have to help their students destress.

Exactly. And the same should apply to employment. Employers should have no duty of care to their employers and visitors on their site. GIVE ME FREEDUM OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!

They don't have a duty to address an employee's "stress" at work.

In the civilised world they do, if that stress is caused from the work itself. Not in Merka, land of the free, of course.

They do have a duty to provide a safe working environment. But, if an employee claims his work is stressing him out and he can't handle it, the employer is under zero duty to supply destressing materials for the employee.

The law could change, of course, and employers could be saddled with such a duty, if the idiots have their way. Then employers will put up coloring rooms and afford employees stress time to watch cartoon puppies on t.v. and color Anna and Elsa until they're ready to come back to work. Thankfully, that isn't the law or society we live under or in, yet. But, the SJWs are working on it.

That's right man, they are coming for your freedums so as to force you to colour in. (Fuck we need an 'insane' smiley here).

If they had such a duty, then they would have to afford similar relief to all students.

Isn't this service available to all students?

I just explained that it isn't. It's only afforded to those students for whom coloring addresses their stress.

No it's not. It's afforded to everyone. Whether it personally works for this person or that is a different point.

Everyone gets stressed out in life, but most adults aren't relieved of this stress by coloring books. There is no single thing that destresses all people and even destresses the same person under different conditions. So, if a duty exists to destress the students, then they need to be providing a lot more than coloring books.

How do you know that they aren't provided other methods to destress as well?

Because I read the articles about it the program.

Cough them up then. I'd be willing to bet you just totally made that up. If there is a university that only provides colouring in to help students de-stress, then I'll become a liberal.

They aren't providing a variety of other methods. Moreover, even if they provided fuzzy bunnies, and back massages, they would not be providing, and it would not be feasible to provide, the means for all students to destress.

So what? Universities don't provide all courses or all sports and facilities that a student might want to do. You really are fucking grasping at straws now.

Everyone has stress. Some students should be afforded free videogames - because many students use videogames to relieve stress. Some students should be afforded free books, because they read to destress. Some students go to the movies and play board games to destress. Some go to the gun range and shoot targets or skeet.

Pretty much every hobby people engage in is a stress reliever. Model trains, miniature rockets, putting together legos, model airplanes, pyrography, etc. Schools have a duty to care for my stress! Give me my wood supplies, wood burning tool, stencils and other materials!

Poor conservative. Some people are different. You should go live in North Korea. I bet they don't have adult colouring in there.

Of course, I'm from a generation that didn't acknowledge stess; we just didn't do it; we didn't even 'believe' in it as a real thing; acknowledging it was considered a sign of namby-pamby personal weakness; etc. Instead we just pressed our social and academic anxieties down into a tight black knot at our core, pretended everything was alright, and went to the pub to get pissed and laugh at the wimps who's parents had to come and take them out of university. I'm not suggesting a bit of colouring-in is going to 'cure' a young person of their stresses, but it at leasts creates a forum where stresses can perhaps be identified and acknowledged - with a view to addresses them in a more substantive manner.

Why is going to the pub less valid than coloring books as a destressor? It's up to everyone to destress when they are stressed. It's not up to universities to set up programs for them.

That's what universities do.

Bollocks. What university is there to provide hobbies for the purpose of helping adults cope with the stressors of daily life?

They're not providing it for "daily life". They are providing it for stress related to study.

Universities are there to educate, to teach. They aren't there to provide hobbies for their students to engage in.

One, it's not provided as a hobby. And two, bullshit. Universities provide all sorts of extra-curricular activities.

A student can sign up for an art class, and pay for it, and learn how to draw, paint, sculpt, etc. That's what a university does. It doesn't set up programs for people to destress.

The article you linked clearly proves you wrong.

Nothing cures anyone of their stresses except themselves.

Who said otherwise? How is that in anyway incompatible with people choosing to avail themselves of available services to help them get through their studies?

Already explained.

No you haven't. They are literally helping themselves to de-stress.

It's because the choice of coloring books is arbitrary, selective, and it is therefore a university sponsored bonus afforded to SOME stressed individuals (those for whom coloring is a hobby that helps them relieve stress). Affording those people their hobby, at the expense of all other students whose hobbies are not funded by the university is unfair.

Already explained. The university can't provide unlimited services. It has to provide the best bang for buck.

In addition, choosing coloring over much cooler hobbies, preferences the silly SJWs, who appear to want these stress-rooms available to them, with videos of puppies playing, blocks, puzzles and coloring books, to help them not be "triggered" by Christina Hoff-Sommers when she speaks at the university.

You like making stuff up, don't you?

Either you get your mind right with what's causing you stress, or you get rid of the problem that's causing stress - even then, with no identifiable "causes" a person can still be stressed. Life is full of stress. I have stress about supporting my family. I had stress at age 18 about registering for classes, doing well in school, having girlfriends, and being popular among my peer group -- all important stressors at the time. What the heck business is it of the University to provide me with hobby materials to use to help relieve my stress? Answer -- it's not their business. And, if I'm chipping in for a program to provide hobbies, then I don't want it to be coloring books.

"Back in my day...", says the old conservative.

What in that paragraph is a "back in my day" item.

Because it is what's driving your whole inane whinge.

[pErvinalia]

the difference is that when it comes to college, things have never been easier.

QED. No need for me to read any further.

LOL - except that I proceeded to prove that assertion. There is objective evidence to support it.

As there was for your generation from the perspective of that generation's parents. But do continue to miss the point.

Except that you haven't proved THAT point. You've made the assertion, which you appear to believe is to be taken as true because you say it. You have not, however, shown that the generation before mine took more credits and less time to complete college, etc. I, on the other hand, demonstrated some basic, fundamental, objective facts which support the assertion that college students today have it easier than 30, 40, and 50 years ago. If you would like to prove your assertion that the college students of 50 and 60 years ago had it harder than the students of 30 years ago, then that assertion remains yours to prove.

You don't give a shit about college specifically. You have repeatedly whinged on this forum for years now that the current generation is soft in all manner of spheres. If you don't believe that each generation has had it easier than the previous generation, as a general trend, then you are lying for Jesus (with Jesus being you biased conservative hobby horse).

[pErvinalia]

pErvin, may I ask what your educational background is? Your profession?

What the fuck for? So you can attempt to troll me? Get fucked. I've stated my education and qualifications and professions here on the forum enough times. If you can't comment on the substance of my posts without knowing my background, then there is something wrong with you.

[Forty Two]

My take is what stresses other people is their business not mine

Certainly, but once you're using university resources, paid for via tuition and/or tax money, to fund toddler activities for adults, it becomes other people's business.

Colouring is supposed to have mental health benefits. So in case of stressed people, it's not "toddler activities".

Everyone is a stressed person.

What's that got to do with my comment?

I've explained this more than once. Everyone is a stressed person. Most people don't use coloring books to destress, but they do use other things. So preferencing one form of stress-relief is unfair, especially since it's really only demanded by a small minority of narcissistic, SJW navel-gazers who think their stress is more important than everybody else's stress.

In the case of people with a diagnosed mental disorder, sure it can be part of therapy, as can a lot of other things. But, we're not talking about therapy here. Therapy comes from a professional who is treating or caring for a patient.

Is that right, Dr Phil? One post ago you were talking about people helping themselves. Now they can only get help from professionals? You're just saying anything now to avoid admitting that the only basis for your complaint is that you are an old conservative.

Come on now, pErvin. You're starting to worry me. People help themselves with stress. If they have a diagnosed mental disorder, they would get help from a professional medical care provider, like psychologist or psychiatrist. Not all help is "therapy." Yes, indeed people help themselves with their own stress. That's what almost everyone does on a daily basis. They can get help from friends, family, coworkers, whatever. They don't get "therapy" from such informal sources, though. Therapy to treat diagnosed mental health conditions comes from a professional.

- but that doesn't mean I have to remain deaf to their concerns, however seemingly trivial. Moralising over who should be stressed, by what, and to what extent doesn't get one very far -

Nor is it what I did. What helps me with stress is watching NFL football and having a few beers. Why do they get crayons and coloring books, but I don't get beer and the NFL Sunday Ticket package?

Because universities are organisations that provide services to people who are part of the organisation. Who do you expect to provide you with beer and NFL tickets?

I am talking to Brian, who would understand that my use of the word "I" was putting myself in the place of a student at the university.

Brian has an excellent grasp of English, unlike yourself, and would read it exactly the same way that I did.[/quote]

Nonsense. Only an obtuse idiot would read it the way you claimed to. However, it's been clarified for you.

If you need it spelled out so literally for you

You literally weren't referring to a hypothetical 'you as a university student'.

That's what I said, dumbass. I had to spell it out literally for you, because you couldn't wrap your puny mind around the idea that I wasn't referring to my old man self, but rather to myself as a figurative university student.

Of course I wasn't "literally" referring to myself as a university student. I'm not literally a university student. That's the whole point of using non-literal language. It was obvious from the context that "I" was an allusion to a non-coloring book aficionado at the university. If you didn't get that, fine, but it's been explained to you, so even your limited faculties should have it now.

-- "What helps some students with stress is watching NFL football and having a few beers. Why don't they get beer and the NFL Sunday ticket?"

Because the university can't provide an unlimited number of services. They have to provide cost-effective services. Paying for beer and NFL tickets is unlikely to be very cost effective.

LOL - and the evidence that coloring books is cost effective is.....?

That's the whole point, man. It's all arbitrary, and none of it has shown to be effective, much less "cost effective."

Now, if college students are exposed to and/or experience prolonged stress then that obviously has the potential to impact on their academic achievements - so regardless of whether I think they're being pussies or not it doesn't seem out of order for an educational institution to acknowledge it or to try remedies that aim to do something about it about it.

Everyone experiences stress, and there are wide varieties of stressors. Almost anything can be a stressor, and what is a stressor to some people is a big nothing to other people. And what relieves stress is likewise widely varied, and crayons may be relaxing to person X and porno movies may be relaxing to person Y and shooting at the gun range may be relaxing to person Z.

No one is forcing everyone, or every stressed person, to colour-in.

No, but they are supplying it. College students are perfectly capable to heading to the dollar store and picking up coloring books and crayons. I have no beef with someone like you who needs to color with crayons to avoid crumbling under the stress of choosing a major, but having a college program choosing coloring as the destressor of choice for students who use that to destress is rather arbitrary and unfair.

Won't somebody think of the persecuted liberals?!!

Why not? Are they less important than the persecuted non-liberals?

The rest of the students who are just as stressed, but are fairly normal and don't destress with coloring books are supposed to deal with their stressors themselves, I guess.

Yes that's right, you are guessing. You have no clue what other services this university provides for students.

I'm not guessing. I've read the articles. If your assertion is that they are providing other hobby materials, then provide your evidence.

Destressing at the gun range or destressing watching football won't be included.

It's not fair!!1

A agree that the university should not cater to folks demanding gun range and football services for stress relief. I would only add coloring books. Coloring books don't make any more sense than any other destressor hobby. If unfairness is something you scoff at, then perhaps universities should provide NFL Sunday Ticket packages for those who destress with football-watching activities, and to hell with the coloring book folks? Would that be just as good?

One might even say that if students are stressed then their educational institutions have some duty of care to acknowledge it, at the very least

Nonsense. These are adults. There is no duty of care that they have to help their students destress.

Exactly. And the same should apply to employment. Employers should have no duty of care to their employers and visitors on their site. GIVE ME FREEDUM OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!

They don't have a duty to address an employee's "stress" at work.

In the civilised world they do, if that stress is caused from the work itself. Not in Merka, land of the free, of course.

Only if it's a medical or mental health condition. Employers do not have the obligation to address employees' claims of being stressed out by having to show up for work on time, work for 8 hours, and take telephone calls, etc.

In the US, an employee can receive workers compensation benefits for work related medical conditions, or can receive time off for serious mental health conditions, or can receive reasonable accommodations for a mental health condition which rises to the level of a disability. But, employers here do not have to provide coloring books to employees who are stressed out by the daily grind. If they are in Australia, then that's your problem. It doesn't make you "civilized." It makes you kind of a bunch of pansies. Whatever happened to the tough, gritty Australian image? Are they all like you now?

They do have a duty to provide a safe working environment. But, if an employee claims his work is stressing him out and he can't handle it, the employer is under zero duty to supply destressing materials for the employee.

The law could change, of course, and employers could be saddled with such a duty, if the idiots have their way. Then employers will put up coloring rooms and afford employees stress time to watch cartoon puppies on t.v. and color Anna and Elsa until they're ready to come back to work. Thankfully, that isn't the law or society we live under or in, yet. But, the SJWs are working on it.

That's right man, they are coming for your freedums so as to force you to colour in. (Fuck we need an 'insane' smiley here).

No, they're coming for entitlements -- to make universities, employers and even governments responsible for providing these programs at cost, instead of taking personal responsibiliity. I have not claimed anyone is to be forced to color.

If they had such a duty, then they would have to afford similar relief to all students.

Isn't this service available to all students?

I just explained that it isn't. It's only afforded to those students for whom coloring addresses their stress.

No it's not. It's afforded to everyone. Whether it personally works for this person or that is a different point.

The coloring books are afforded to everyone. Stress relief is not afforded to those who are not relieved by coloring books. I've been clear about that.

Everyone gets stressed out in life, but most adults aren't relieved of this stress by coloring books. There is no single thing that destresses all people and even destresses the same person under different conditions. So, if a duty exists to destress the students, then they need to be providing a lot more than coloring books.

How do you know that they aren't provided other methods to destress as well?

Because I read the articles about it the program.

Cough them up then. I'd be willing to bet you just totally made that up. If there is a university that only provides colouring in to help students de-stress, then I'll become a liberal.

The linked material above says what it says. If you believe the program provides other methods of destressing, then prove your assertion.

They aren't providing a variety of other methods. Moreover, even if they provided fuzzy bunnies, and back massages, they would not be providing, and it would not be feasible to provide, the means for all students to destress.

So what? Universities don't provide all courses or all sports and facilities that a student might want to do. You really are fucking grasping at straws now.

When a student enrolls in a course, they pay the credit fee. When they enroll in a sport, they pay the enrollment fee and for their own equipment. That's different than free hobby materials doled out as stress relief. If this was a coloring course offered for a cost of credits, then I'd have very little issue with it, other than that it is a rather silly course, but then again, if people want to take silly courses and pay the tuition for it, then fine.

Everyone has stress. Some students should be afforded free videogames - because many students use videogames to relieve stress. Some students should be afforded free books, because they read to destress. Some students go to the movies and play board games to destress. Some go to the gun range and shoot targets or skeet.

Pretty much every hobby people engage in is a stress reliever. Model trains, miniature rockets, putting together legos, model airplanes, pyrography, etc. Schools have a duty to care for my stress! Give me my wood supplies, wood burning tool, stencils and other materials!

Poor conservative. Some people are different. You should go live in North Korea. I bet they don't have adult colouring in there.

Are you dim? I just got through illustrating many, many ways in which people are different. I haven't said their not different.

I've never said people can't "adult color." It's the whole "free program to dole out coloring books as a destressing hobby" thing that sets it apart. Buy your own fucking coloring books, like the model train enthusiasts have to do to engage in their hobby. Or, if the university wants to start Adult Coloring 201 as a course and charge these morons tuition to learn the art of coloring and to destress, fine.

Of course, I'm from a generation that didn't acknowledge stess; we just didn't do it; we didn't even 'believe' in it as a real thing; acknowledging it was considered a sign of namby-pamby personal weakness; etc. Instead we just pressed our social and academic anxieties down into a tight black knot at our core, pretended everything was alright, and went to the pub to get pissed and laugh at the wimps who's parents had to come and take them out of university. I'm not suggesting a bit of colouring-in is going to 'cure' a young person of their stresses, but it at leasts creates a forum where stresses can perhaps be identified and acknowledged - with a view to addresses them in a more substantive manner.

Why is going to the pub less valid than coloring books as a destressor? It's up to everyone to destress when they are stressed. It's not up to universities to set up programs for them.

That's what universities do.

Bollocks. What university is there to provide hobbies for the purpose of helping adults cope with the stressors of daily life?

They're not providing it for "daily life". They are providing it for stress related to study.

Then you haven't read about the issue, which is par for your course. You don't even read other people's posts before you declare them to be wrong. The issues that the coloring is supposed to help deal with include but are not limited to the stress associated with exams, and the stress associated with picking a major. Those are stressors of daily life as a student. Stresses related to study? That's daily life for a student. I have to do homework and study for exams, therefore I should get a free coloring book program, but not free video games?

Universities are there to educate, to teach. They aren't there to provide hobbies for their students to engage in.

One, it's not provided as a hobby. And two, bullshit. Universities provide all sorts of extra-curricular activities.

Indeed, ones that are paid for by tuition assessments. If you take Archery 101, you pay for the credit hours. You don't just go there to play, for fuck's sake. Well, maybe YOU do in a "civilized" country, but in a grown up country we don't, except where SJW's like you get their way.

A student can sign up for an art class, and pay for it, and learn how to draw, paint, sculpt, etc. That's what a university does. It doesn't set up programs for people to destress.

The article you linked clearly proves you wrong.

Obviously, THIS university kowtowed to the SJW idiots and created this kind of program. A proper university should not do it.

Nothing cures anyone of their stresses except themselves.

Who said otherwise? How is that in anyway incompatible with people choosing to avail themselves of available services to help them get through their studies?

Already explained.

No you haven't. They are literally helping themselves to de-stress.

They would be if they were paying for their own hobby themselves. Jesus fucking Christ, man.

It's because the choice of coloring books is arbitrary, selective, and it is therefore a university sponsored bonus afforded to SOME stressed individuals (those for whom coloring is a hobby that helps them relieve stress). Affording those people their hobby, at the expense of all other students whose hobbies are not funded by the university is unfair.

Already explained. The university can't provide unlimited services. It has to provide the best bang for buck.

The fact that they are choosing to supply coloring books is not evidence that they are the best bang for a buck. Hand cream used for masturbation is probably a better bang for the buck. There is certainly as much evidence presented to support the assertion.

In addition, choosing coloring over much cooler hobbies, preferences the silly SJWs, who appear to want these stress-rooms available to them, with videos of puppies playing, blocks, puzzles and coloring books, to help them not be "triggered" by Christina Hoff-Sommers when she speaks at the university.

You like making stuff up, don't you?

Not in the least. Here, Brown University created a "safe space," which was created "to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opini ... ideas.html Oberlin College created similar safe spaces for students stressed out by the presence of Christina Hoff Sommers on campus -- http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04 ... eorgetown/

This is what the pansy SJW class wants.

Either you get your mind right with what's causing you stress, or you get rid of the problem that's causing stress - even then, with no identifiable "causes" a person can still be stressed. Life is full of stress. I have stress about supporting my family. I had stress at age 18 about registering for classes, doing well in school, having girlfriends, and being popular among my peer group -- all important stressors at the time. What the heck business is it of the University to provide me with hobby materials to use to help relieve my stress? Answer -- it's not their business. And, if I'm chipping in for a program to provide hobbies, then I don't want it to be coloring books.

"Back in my day...", says the old conservative.

What in that paragraph is a "back in my day" item.

Because it is what's driving your whole inane whinge.

You'd only think that if you were an idiot.

[Forty Two]

pErvin, may I ask what your educational background is? Your profession?

What the fuck for?

To show that you're a ninnyhammer?

I've stated my education and qualifications and professions here on the forum enough times.

If you can't comment on the substance of my posts without knowing my background, then there is something wrong with you.

Your posts have substance?

You should be able to puzzle out, incidentally, that someone can comment on your posts and also wonder what sort of substandard educational background would produce a mind that would utter such unmitigated drivel.

[Forty Two]

QED. No need for me to read any further.

LOL - except that I proceeded to prove that assertion. There is objective evidence to support it.

As there was for your generation from the perspective of that generation's parents. But do continue to miss the point.

Except that you haven't proved THAT point. You've made the assertion, which you appear to believe is to be taken as true because you say it. You have not, however, shown that the generation before mine took more credits and less time to complete college, etc. I, on the other hand, demonstrated some basic, fundamental, objective facts which support the assertion that college students today have it easier than 30, 40, and 50 years ago. If you would like to prove your assertion that the college students of 50 and 60 years ago had it harder than the students of 30 years ago, then that assertion remains yours to prove.

You don't give a shit about college specifically. You have repeatedly whinged on this forum for years now that the current generation is soft in all manner of spheres. If you don't believe that each generation has had it easier than the previous generation, as a general trend, then you are lying for Jesus (with Jesus being you biased conservative hobby horse).

So, you made an assertion without evidence. Baseless assertion.

That's your practice, anyway. If you even bother to read someone's posts before declaring them wrong, you drone on about how he or she is a "conservative" (even when you know they are not), and you make repeated baseless assertions, never taking the responsibility to actually support your assertions with evidence. You sit and demand everyone else do it, but you don't do it yourself. You just make statements, like the one above, and demand they be accepted at face value.

[Svartalf]

ErV, MY generation, the people who were teenagers in the 80s did NOT have it easier than our parents, and I hear things have not improved for younger folk

[Cunt]

pErvin, may I ask what your educational background is? Your profession?

What the fuck for? So you can attempt to troll me? Get fucked. I've stated my education and qualifications and professions here on the forum enough times. If you can't comment on the substance of my posts without knowing my background, then there is something wrong with you.

I was asking so that I could understand your perspective. It would be a bit different if you were a current enrolee in a Gender Studies program, vs a retired Chemical Process Design Engineer.

You have made it clear though, that even a polite, simple question is met with vitriol.

So fuck you. I suspect you need daycare, colouring books and a bit of coaching about how to discuss civilly.

By the way, I have always thought of Forty-Two as a liberal, rather than conservative. Not that it will matter to you. (I'm talking philosophy, not party labels, by the way)

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-- "What helps some students with stress is watching NFL football and having a few beers. Why don't they get beer and the NFL Sunday ticket?"

Because the university can't provide an unlimited number of services. They have to provide cost-effective services. Paying for beer and NFL tickets is unlikely to be very cost effective.

LOL - and the evidence that coloring books is cost effective is.....?

That's the whole point, man. It's all arbitrary, and none of it has shown to be effective, much less "cost effective."

And considering the inability to focus is often a symptom of anxiety or stress, it only makes sense that adult coloring books would also help with those as well. Dr. Stan Rodski, a neuropsychologist who also happens to be the author of his own line of adult coloring books, says that coloring elicits a relaxing mindset, similar to what you would achieve through meditation. Like mediation, coloring allows us to switch off our brains from other thoughts and focus on the moment. Tasks with predictable results, such as coloring or knitting, can often be calming — Rodski was even able to see the physical effects they had on our bodies by using advanced technology.

“The most amazing things occurred — we started seeing changes in heart rate, changes in brainwaves,” he told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, adding that part of this neurological response in “colorists” comes from the repetition and attention to patterns and detail associated with coloring.

Dr. Joel Pearson, a brain scientist at the University of New South Wales in Australia presented a different explanation for the therapeutic effect: Concentrating on coloring an image may facilitate the replacement of negative thoughts and images with pleasant ones.

“You have to look at the shape and size, you have to look at the edges, and you have to pick a color,” Pearson told Nine MSN. “It should occupy the same parts of the brain that stops any anxiety-related mental imagery happening as well. ... Anything that helps you control your attention is going to help.”

Everyone experiences stress, and there are wide varieties of stressors. Almost anything can be a stressor, and what is a stressor to some people is a big nothing to other people. And what relieves stress is likewise widely varied, and crayons may be relaxing to person X and porno movies may be relaxing to person Y and shooting at the gun range may be relaxing to person Z.

No one is forcing everyone, or every stressed person, to colour-in.

No, but they are supplying it. College students are perfectly capable to heading to the dollar store and picking up coloring books and crayons. I have no beef with someone like you who needs to color with crayons to avoid crumbling under the stress of choosing a major, but having a college program choosing coloring as the destressor of choice for students who use that to destress is rather arbitrary and unfair.

Won't somebody think of the persecuted liberals?!!

Why not? Are they less important than the persecuted non-liberals?

No, but they are as big a bunch of whingers as the sjw's that they criticise.

The rest of the students who are just as stressed, but are fairly normal and don't destress with coloring books are supposed to deal with their stressors themselves, I guess.

Yes that's right, you are guessing. You have no clue what other services this university provides for students.

I'm not guessing. I've read the articles. If your assertion is that they are providing other hobby materials, then provide your evidence.

Oh here we go with your evasive bullshit. You should know very well by the now the concept of burden of proof. YOU made the claim that it's the only stress management service they provide. It's YOUR claim, it's up to YOU to provide evidence to back your claim up. The article you provided doesn't state that it's the only stress management service on offer.

Destressing at the gun range or destressing watching football won't be included.

It's not fair!!1

A agree that the university should not cater to folks demanding gun range and football services for stress relief. I would only add coloring books. Coloring books don't make any more sense than any other destressor hobby. If unfairness is something you scoff at, then perhaps universities should provide NFL Sunday Ticket packages for those who destress with football-watching activities, and to hell with the coloring book folks? Would that be just as good?

I'm commenting on the irony of the persecuted liberal complaining about fairness while rubbishing those who argue something is unfair.

Exactly. And the same should apply to employment. Employers should have no duty of care to their employers and visitors on their site. GIVE ME FREEDUM OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!

They don't have a duty to address an employee's "stress" at work.

In the civilised world they do, if that stress is caused from the work itself. Not in Merka, land of the free, of course.

Only if it's a medical or mental health condition. Employers do not have the obligation to address employees' claims of being stressed out by having to show up for work on time, work for 8 hours, and take telephone calls, etc.

In the US, an employee can receive workers compensation benefits for work related medical conditions, or can receive time off for serious mental health conditions, or can receive reasonable accommodations for a mental health condition which rises to the level of a disability. But, employers here do not have to provide coloring books to employees who are stressed out by the daily grind.

Who said they have to provide colouring in books to employees? Stop making shit up.

Everyone gets stressed out in life, but most adults aren't relieved of this stress by coloring books. There is no single thing that destresses all people and even destresses the same person under different conditions. So, if a duty exists to destress the students, then they need to be providing a lot more than coloring books.

How do you know that they aren't provided other methods to destress as well?

Because I read the articles about it the program.

Cough them up then. I'd be willing to bet you just totally made that up. If there is a university that only provides colouring in to help students de-stress, then I'll become a liberal.

The linked material above says what it says. If you believe the program provides other methods of destressing, then prove your assertion.

That's not how it works, chief. YOU made a claim, YOU get to back it up, or have it treated as made up bullshit.

They aren't providing a variety of other methods. Moreover, even if they provided fuzzy bunnies, and back massages, they would not be providing, and it would not be feasible to provide, the means for all students to destress.

So what? Universities don't provide all courses or all sports and facilities that a student might want to do. You really are fucking grasping at straws now.

When a student enrolls in a course, they pay the credit fee. When they enroll in a sport, they pay the enrollment fee and for their own equipment.

Not in the civilised world. At uni I had access to all the sporting facilities, inter-faculty sports events, and all sorts of other activities, without paying anything extra.

Everyone has stress. Some students should be afforded free videogames - because many students use videogames to relieve stress. Some students should be afforded free books, because they read to destress. Some students go to the movies and play board games to destress. Some go to the gun range and shoot targets or skeet.

Pretty much every hobby people engage in is a stress reliever. Model trains, miniature rockets, putting together legos, model airplanes, pyrography, etc. Schools have a duty to care for my stress! Give me my wood supplies, wood burning tool, stencils and other materials!

Poor conservative. Some people are different. You should go live in North Korea. I bet they don't have adult colouring in there.

Are you dim?

Are you looking to get suspended?

I've never said people can't "adult color." It's the whole "free program to dole out coloring books as a destressing hobby" thing that sets it apart. Buy your own fucking coloring books, like the model train enthusiasts have to do to engage in their hobby. Or, if the university wants to start Adult Coloring 201 as a course and charge these morons tuition to learn the art of coloring and to destress, fine.

"These morons [sic]". Yes, you have no problem with people who are different to you.

Why is going to the pub less valid than coloring books as a destressor? It's up to everyone to destress when they are stressed. It's not up to universities to set up programs for them.

That's what universities do.

Bollocks. What university is there to provide hobbies for the purpose of helping adults cope with the stressors of daily life?

They're not providing it for "daily life". They are providing it for stress related to study.

Then you haven't read about the issue, which is par for your course. You don't even read other people's posts before you declare them to be wrong. The issues that the coloring is supposed to help deal with include but are not limited to the stress associated with exams, and the stress associated with picking a major. Those are stressors of daily life as a student. Stresses related to study? That's daily life for a student.

Nice equivocation. Daily life =/= student daily life. They are providing stress relief for stresses specifically associated with undertaking studies at the university. By calling it "daily life" you are trying to reduce the importance of the value in providing stress relief for members of the university.

I have to do homework and study for exams, therefore I should get a free coloring book program, but not free video games?

It's not fair!! I'm a persecuted liberal, and I want everything to be about me!!!

Universities are there to educate, to teach. They aren't there to provide hobbies for their students to engage in.

One, it's not provided as a hobby. And two, bullshit. Universities provide all sorts of extra-curricular activities.

Indeed, ones that are paid for by tuition assessments. If you take Archery 101, you pay for the credit hours. You don't just go there to play, for fuck's sake. Well, maybe YOU do in a "civilized" country,

Exactly right. You live in a backward uber-capitalist country where organisations want to bleed every last cent out of everyone that they can. The universities in Australia (and I'd bet Europe too) provide all sorts of services covered under your general fees and general funding.

but in a grown up country we don't, except where SJW's like you get their way.

Haha, yeah the nasty social justice warriors are trying to take away your rights to be bled dry by unethical organisations intent on making a profit at all costs.

Nothing cures anyone of their stresses except themselves.

Who said otherwise? How is that in anyway incompatible with people choosing to avail themselves of available services to help them get through their studies?

Already explained.

No you haven't. They are literally helping themselves to de-stress.

They would be if they were paying for their own hobby themselves. Jesus fucking Christ, man.

Why must "helping themselves" require directly paying for something?! What kind of busted up reasoning is that? As I said, they are literally helping themselves by availing themselves of the services available. Why is simple stuff so difficult for you?

It's because the choice of coloring books is arbitrary, selective, and it is therefore a university sponsored bonus afforded to SOME stressed individuals (those for whom coloring is a hobby that helps them relieve stress). Affording those people their hobby, at the expense of all other students whose hobbies are not funded by the university is unfair.

Already explained. The university can't provide unlimited services. It has to provide the best bang for buck.

The fact that they are choosing to supply coloring books is not evidence that they are the best bang for a buck. Hand cream used for masturbation is probably a better bang for the buck. There is certainly as much evidence presented to support the assertion.

Goal post shift. The issue we are discussing isn't what is the best bang for buck. It's about your whinge that it's unreasonable for unis to provide only a limited set of stress relief services.

In addition, choosing coloring over much cooler hobbies, preferences the silly SJWs, who appear to want these stress-rooms available to them, with videos of puppies playing, blocks, puzzles and coloring books, to help them not be "triggered" by Christina Hoff-Sommers when she speaks at the university.

You like making stuff up, don't you?

Not in the least. Here, Brown University created a "safe space," which was created "to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opini ... ideas.html Oberlin College created similar safe spaces for students stressed out by the presence of Christina Hoff Sommers on campus -- http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04 ... eorgetown/

Ok, I'll pay that one.

You'd only think that if you were an idiot.

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pErvin, may I ask what your educational background is? Your profession?

What the fuck for? So you can attempt to troll me? Get fucked. I've stated my education and qualifications and professions here on the forum enough times. If you can't comment on the substance of my posts without knowing my background, then there is something wrong with you.

I was asking so that I could understand your perspective. It would be a bit different if you were a current enrolee in a Gender Studies program, vs a retired Chemical Process Design Engineer.

You have made it clear though, that even a polite, simple question is met with vitriol.

You've done nothing but troll me and others since your reappearance a few months ago. You think I care about the fee fees of someone like you?

So fuck you. I suspect you need daycare, colouring books and a bit of coaching about how to discuss civilly.

Awww... the troll is upset. Won't somebody think of the trolls?!

By the way, I have always thought of Forty-Two as a liberal, rather than conservative. Not that it will matter to you. (I'm talking philosophy, not party labels, by the way)

You're right. Your assessment of intelligent concepts mean nothing to me, not least because you can't back up a single thing you ever say. I've discussed this before with 42 about how liberalism leads naturally to conservatism. I've provided evidence of other liberals (and 42) who have wound up adopting and/or supporting conservative positions. If you are interested ( ), do a search. You're not actually interested, of course, any further than the trolling value you can get out of something.

[Cunt]

Are you looking to get suspended?

This, and your 'bailout clause' (calling anyone who you don't wish to treat respectfully a 'troll') tell me all I need to know about the strength of your position. Hell, you don't even know if we disagree, or on what, you just flee into your bailout and claim some kind of moral victory.

Great job, pErvin! You win! You get to go colour, and watch puppy videos.