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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:41 am

Animavore wrote:Look, the Republican party is tearing itself apart. It's game over for them. Stop fretting about Trump and some mythical, possible win. He's gone.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... nald-trump
That's good. The Republican Party needed a shake-up and a reformulation. I have no idea why anyone mourns what's happening. Trump just announced last night that he will push for, at the federal level, affordable child care in the US. And, he was cheered at the GOP convention. Peter Thiel announced that he was proud to be gay and a Republican -- and drew a standing ovation -- at the Republican convention. Trump favors trans rights, gay rights, same sex marriage, and equal opportunity for women and minorities. He favors tariffs on goods imported from countries with substandard regulation and wages -- something most everyone on the left supports when it is someone other than Trump saying it. He also opposes foreign wars and entanglements, something the left also supports when it's not Trump saying it (weirdly, the left seems to support foreign military ventures, drone bombing s at the discretion of the President, and undeclared wars, when it's Obama or Hillary who pitch them...). He takes China to task for currency manipulation and stealing intellectual property -- accusations which were made by the Obama Administration too -- only, Trump announces a new approach to dealing with the problem (nobody denies the problem exists, and he doesn't propose to solve it via "free trade"). Now, for some reason, people who would normally be opposed to "free trade" are all for it, because Hillary Clinton is a free trader. She's a neoconservative in liberal clothing.

The only things really "right wing" he says are (a) reduce taxes, and (b) stem the tide of illegal immigration.

At the convention, Trump mentioned God about "zero" times in his speech. He did not moralize. He did not talk about culture wars. He did say that inner city children have just as much right to health care and opportunities as everyone else, and he bemoaned the over 50% unemployment in black communities in the US (which, obviously,the Democrats have been unable to fix or even begin fixing).
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by DRSB » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:20 pm

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Scot Dutchy wrote:When did muslims start attacking the west?
Pretty much as soon as they could. Until around 1250 they controlled all of the Iberian peninsula and a little bit of what is France today. Until 1500 they were still in possession of the southern half of Spain and Portugal. In 1529 Suleiman the Magnificent besieged Vienna. The city remained threatened by the Ottomans until the Battle of Vienna over 150 years later.
He besieged Vienna, but did not stay there, they settled in Bulgaria, this is how it went for about 500 years, not exactly a documentary but graphic enough:


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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:34 pm

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Svartalf wrote:Actually, I'm an illiterate buffoon, 620 is the year of Hegira
the year of the Spain invasion is 722, not 622
The fact that you didn't think that Islamic conquest began in the cold war was what I alluded to.
These were all terrorists of course. Not nations? Do you know what a terrorist is?
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Post by Meekychuppet » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:54 pm

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Svartalf wrote:Actually, I'm an illiterate buffoon, 620 is the year of Hegira
the year of the Spain invasion is 722, not 622
The fact that you didn't think that Islamic conquest began in the cold war was what I alluded to.
These were all terrorists of course. Not nations? Do you know what a terrorist is?
Conquest is conquest. If Europe falls under an Islamic flag will it make any difference? The difference seems trivial and semantic to me.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:00 pm

Of course as you dont know the difference between a nation's army and terroristic organisation. When did terrorism start?
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Post by Meekychuppet » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:40 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Of course as you dont know the difference between a nation's army and terroristic organisation. When did terrorism start?
Is there a difference in this case? Nation states like Saudi Arabia are funding terrorism. If there is a difference, is it of any consequence?
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by laklak » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:10 pm

Personally I'd rather not live under The Caliphate. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:11 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Actually, I'm an illiterate buffoon, 620 is the year of Hegira
the year of the Spain invasion is 722, not 622
The fact that you didn't think that Islamic conquest began in the cold war was what I alluded to.
These were all terrorists of course. Not nations? Do you know what a terrorist is?
Conquest is conquest. If Europe falls under an Islamic flag will it make any difference? The difference seems trivial and semantic to me.
The difference is that we can follow the thread and can see you shifting the goal posts. You've just compared the terrorist uprising of ISIS, directly attributable to the west's destruction of the Iraqi state, with the expansion of the Ottoman Empire. Quite the retarded comparison. :fp:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:25 pm

laklak wrote:Personally I'd rather not live under The Caliphate. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by laklak » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:36 pm

I can't help myself, I'm an Old Cisgendered Straight White Male. I probably should be euthanized.

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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:37 pm

How was the ottoman army different from isis? Fancier uniforms? They both had no problem genociding their enemies. The Greeks still rember the hundreds of thousands the Ottoman empire slaughtered a 100 years ago.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:41 pm

How are they different? One is a terrorist organisation directly attributable to the West's destruction of the Iraqi state, the other one not a terrorist organisation directly attributable to the West's foreign policy.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:49 pm

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Re: The Donald-thread

Post by Tyrannical » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:08 pm

Isis is a caliphate dedicated to spreading islam and killing or enslaving non believers. The ottoman empire was what again?
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