Edward Snowden: heel or hero?

[Audley Strange]

Actually, I think if a private jet landed and took him somewhere, the Russian Government wouldn't interfere, though they might be keeping him as a bargaining chip. Heh. Wouldn't it be funny if his outing of that information led to even more delay of any intervention by the World Community in the Syrian Debacle.

[Coito ergo sum]

Actually, I think if a private jet landed and took him somewhere, the Russian Government wouldn't interfere, though they might be keeping him as a bargaining chip. Heh. Wouldn't it be funny if his outing of that information led to even more delay of any intervention by the World Community in the Syrian Debacle.

If that were true, the US would have Snowden already.

If he's in the airport, that doesn't mean he's roaming around freely at the airport. I bet the Russians took him into a little room and made some basic inquiries and searches of his person and belongings -- for purely administrative and safety/security reasons, of course....

Anyone who thinks the guy is not going to be searched and questioned by Russian intelligence officials is fooling themselves.

[Tyrannical]

Snowden was wrong to go to the Press and leak this out. What he should have done was find a sympathetic Congressmen like Rand Paul and bring up his concerns.

[Mysturji]

I heard this song once about a country which at the end said "home of the brave and land of the free" He should go there, that place sounds great, if you ignore the whole war hymn part.

Wasn't that song based on the war where the US invaded Canada, so in retaliation, they burnt down the capital, and the Yanks learned their lesson and never came back?

[Coito ergo sum]

I heard this song once about a country which at the end said "home of the brave and land of the free" He should go there, that place sounds great, if you ignore the whole war hymn part.

Wasn't that song based on the war where the US invaded the British territory/colony that they called Upper CanadaCanada so in retaliation for British attacks on US forces such as the HMS Leopard's unjustified attack on the USS Chesapeake in US waters, British illegal trade restrictions against US shipping, British impressment (enslavement) of US citizens to serve on British warships by boarding and kidnapping people, British instigation and arming of Indian tribes to initiate raids on American civilians, the british burnt down the capital, but ultimately the war was fought to a stalemate, and the Canadians never stop pretending that it was a Canadian war and not a British war?

[Tero]

It's not for Putin to decide his passport status, he has not entered Russia. Hong Kong decided. The next decision is the airline that takes him.

[Audley Strange]

Actually, I think if a private jet landed and took him somewhere, the Russian Government wouldn't interfere, though they might be keeping him as a bargaining chip. Heh. Wouldn't it be funny if his outing of that information led to even more delay of any intervention by the World Community in the Syrian Debacle.

If that were true, the US would have Snowden already.

If he's in the airport, that doesn't mean he's roaming around freely at the airport. I bet the Russians took him into a little room and made some basic inquiries and searches of his person and belongings -- for purely administrative and safety/security reasons, of course....

Anyone who thinks the guy is not going to be searched and questioned by Russian intelligence officials is fooling themselves.

No CES, the only way they would have him is if he was rendered or volunteered to go in a plane. Obviously he's not wandering around duty free. As for your last sentence, who the fuck thinks that?

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not for Putin to decide his passport status, he has not entered Russia. Hong Kong decided. The next decision is the airline that takes him.

Snowden has a US passport. The US revoked it. It's not a good passport anymore. He may get through, he may not. He also has to have a visa to enter most countries. If he tried to go to a visa waiver country, they'd run his passport through the computer thingy and deny him.

[Coito ergo sum]

Actually, I think if a private jet landed and took him somewhere, the Russian Government wouldn't interfere, though they might be keeping him as a bargaining chip. Heh. Wouldn't it be funny if his outing of that information led to even more delay of any intervention by the World Community in the Syrian Debacle.

If that were true, the US would have Snowden already.

If he's in the airport, that doesn't mean he's roaming around freely at the airport. I bet the Russians took him into a little room and made some basic inquiries and searches of his person and belongings -- for purely administrative and safety/security reasons, of course....

Anyone who thinks the guy is not going to be searched and questioned by Russian intelligence officials is fooling themselves.

No CES, the only way they would have him is if he was rendered or volunteered to go in a plane. Obviously he's not wandering around duty free. As for your last sentence, who the fuck thinks that?

If US officials had a plane there he could get on, they'd not ask his permission. They'd grab him and put him on the plane. It's happened before.

The people who the fuck thinks that are the people who believe he is "free" to roam about the Moscow airport. I would be shocked if that was the case. He will leave only when the Russian officials let him leave. If he flies off to a non-Russian territory it will be with Russia's permission and probably Putin's permission personally.

[Svartalf]

It's not for Putin to decide his passport status, he has not entered Russia. Hong Kong decided. The next decision is the airline that takes him.

Snowden has a US passport. The US revoked it. It's not a good passport anymore. He may get through, he may not. He also has to have a visa to enter most countries. If he tried to go to a visa waiver country, they'd run his passport through the computer thingy and deny him.

Like peoploe applying for political refugee status need passports...

[Audley Strange]

If US officials had a plane there he could get on, they'd not ask his permission. They'd grab him and put him on the plane. It's happened before.

Yes, rendering him. However as we agree, he wouldn't be wandering about to be picked up in such a manner, so they'd either have to have the Russians permission or start a major diplomatic incident (I wouldn't put it past them). Other than that if someone offered him passage out on a private airline they may be happy to see him leave for somewhere else.

The people who the fuck thinks that are the people who believe he is "free" to roam about the Moscow airport. I would be shocked if that was the case. He will leave only when the Russian officials let him leave. If he flies off to a non-Russian territory it will be with Russia's permission and probably Putin's permission personally.

What people where? Who's claiming this?

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not for Putin to decide his passport status, he has not entered Russia. Hong Kong decided. The next decision is the airline that takes him.

Snowden has a US passport. The US revoked it. It's not a good passport anymore. He may get through, he may not. He also has to have a visa to enter most countries. If he tried to go to a visa waiver country, they'd run his passport through the computer thingy and deny him.

Like peoploe applying for political refugee status need passports...

He's not a refugee.

He might be an asylee. Ecuador is evaluating an asylum request now, I believe.

[Svartalf]

Given that he's wanted as a traitor, with his passport devalidated, you bet he claims to be.

[Robert_S]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/25/politics/nsa-leak

Putin says Snowden is a free man at the airport in Moscow.

LOL -- Snowden, who doesn't have a valid passport anymore, is a free man at the airport. Where can he go? He could only board a plane if the Russian government said it was o.k.

So, there he is. Russia says, there he is, and he can go where he wants, but he can't go where he wants because he doesn't have travel documents. I bet they got his credit cards canceled, so he probably has limited funds, although he must have planned for that.

What's he do? What is Russia going to ask for? They obviously can hand him over whenever they like -- what's the hold-up?

I think Putin's take is: "I'm so not going to get caught up in this drama!"

[JimC]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/25/politics/nsa-leak

Putin says Snowden is a free man at the airport in Moscow.

LOL -- Snowden, who doesn't have a valid passport anymore, is a free man at the airport. Where can he go? He could only board a plane if the Russian government said it was o.k.

So, there he is. Russia says, there he is, and he can go where he wants, but he can't go where he wants because he doesn't have travel documents. I bet they got his credit cards canceled, so he probably has limited funds, although he must have planned for that.

What's he do? What is Russia going to ask for? They obviously can hand him over whenever they like -- what's the hold-up?

Wasn't there some stateless person years ago who lived at an airport (Paris, maybe?) for months because no country would take him in?