Obama called to Georgia court to defend primary eligiblity

[Wumbologist]

I lol'd @ this thread, then I looked at the calendar, realized it's not April 1, and serious'd.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I lol'd @ this thread, then I looked at the calendar, realized it's not April 1, and serious'd.

It's not really a thread.

[Tyrannical]

This is the first time that the Obama case was argued on it's merits before a court, usually the cases have been dismissed for lack of standing or filed too late.

[apophenia]

[Seth]

I lol'd @ this thread, then I looked at the calendar, realized it's not April 1, and serious'd.

It's not really a thread.

Not to you. To you it's just a poo-target on the plexi.

By the way, wolves are off the ESA list in Great Lakes region as of today. Time to get a hunting license to kill some of the many, non-endangered wolves that are devastating wildlife and livestock in that region.

[Seth]

Obama and his team ignore hearing, will likely default and Obama will not be on the Georgia ballot.

Update: Obama's Georgia Ballot Hearing: Judge Wanted To
Immediately Enter Default Judgment Against Obama
Dean Haskins on the Scene at Hearing

As we are trying to get a quick lunch, and then do some interviews, this is just a very brief synopsis of what happened today. Before the hearing started, the judge called the attorneys into his chambers and explained that he was going to enter a default judgment in their favor. Attorneys Hatfield and Irion requested to be able to present abbreviated versions of their arguments so that they would be on the record. At that point, Irion estimated he would need 20 minutes, Hatfield estimated he would need 30 minutes, and Taitz estimated she would need 2 hours.

Van Irion and Mark Hatfield made their arguments, and left. Taitz then presented her argument, calling several witnesses, until the judge asked her to make her closing statement. As her closing statement began, the judge asked if she was testifying, and, in an unconventional move, Taitz took the witness stand to testify. The judge finally asked her just to make her closing statement, which she did.

We believe that the default judgment automatically translates into the judge's recommendation to the Sec. Of State being that Obama should not appear on the ballot in Georgia.

Back to work . . . more to come!

[amused]

In the end, there is no chance whatsoever that Obama’s name will not be on the Georgia ballot come November.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2 ... her-mania/

[Seth]

In the end, there is no chance whatsoever that Obama’s name will not be on the Georgia ballot come November.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2 ... her-mania/

So, you're citing the opinion of a blogger as determinative without even citing the reasons the blogger thinks he's right?

Well here, let me do it for you:

At any rate, the final decision is Kemp’s. Regardless of what Malihi recommends, Kemp does not want to become the Republican secretary of state who ruled Barack Obama off the ballot in Georgia. Becoming a birther hero would not begin to compensate for the lasting infamy such a step would bring him, especially because such a ruling would be challenged in state or federal court and almost immediately overturned on any number of reasons. Kemp would then look like a fool and put an end to any further political ambitions he might have. I doubt that’s the course he will choose to take.

Bookman is SPECULATING that the Georgia Secretary of State (a Republican) will ignore the law, and the evidence in the record gathered by the judge, and will rule based on what Bookman calls "the lasting infamy" of abiding by his oath of office and clear duty to the People of Georgia. Bookman is flailing and trying to minimize the impact of this case because he's scared to death that Kemp will do his state constitutional duty and rule on the facts before him and exclude Obama from the Georgia primary ballot.

Well, I'm going to speculate that given Obama's arrogance and refusal to participate in a valid Georgia legal proceeding challenging his eligibility to run for office, Kemp will do his legal duty and rule him ineligible to be on the primary ballot. That may kick it to the federal courts, but it's also just as likely that it won't, because this is strictly a STATE matter, and therefore the federal courts are not likely to have jurisdiction. It might go to the Georgia Supreme Court, but if it does, and in the end that court rules against Obama, there will be NO RECOURSE in the federal courts because when it comes to sovereign state matters, the 10th Amendment prohibits the federal courts from interfering in the internal judicial workings of of a state absent a clear federal constitutional violation. And since Obama only has a right to run for office in Georgia if he meets the Georgia requirements, he would have to prove that some federal civil right supersedes Georgia law, which is a tough battle to fight. And because his team did not present any evidence at the hearing and failed to appear, he has no right of appeal in Georgia of the final decision.

He may simply have decided that it was too dangerous to have to answer the legitimate questions about his eligibility and is hoping that challenges to his primary eligibility will not spread to swing states, like Colorado, while challenges are still timely.

But Bookman's proclamation is hardly authoritative. As he admits, Kemp, the Georgia Secretary of State, is the final arbiter of Obama's eligibility.

[Twoflower]

I lol'd @ this thread, then I looked at the calendar, realized it's not April 1, and serious'd.

It's not really a thread.

Not to you. To you it's just a poo-target on the plexi.

By the way, wolves are off the ESA list in Great Lakes region as of today. Time to get a hunting license to kill some of the many, non-endangered wolves that are devastating wildlife and livestock in that region.

GET OFF MY LAND!!!!!

[maiforpeace]

I lol'd @ this thread, then I looked at the calendar, realized it's not April 1, and serious'd.

It's not really a thread.

Not to you. To you it's just a poo-target on the plexi.

By the way, wolves are off the ESA list in Great Lakes region as of today. Time to get a hunting license to kill some of the many, non-endangered wolves that are devastating wildlife and livestock in that region.

GET OFF MY LAND!!!!!

Indeed.

Of course when it comes to murdering creatures, it's all public property eh, Seth?

[Robert_S]

Obama will wait until the last minute, allowing the birther movement maximum time to embarrass itself.

[Seth]

I lol'd @ this thread, then I looked at the calendar, realized it's not April 1, and serious'd.

It's not really a thread.

Not to you. To you it's just a poo-target on the plexi.

By the way, wolves are off the ESA list in Great Lakes region as of today. Time to get a hunting license to kill some of the many, non-endangered wolves that are devastating wildlife and livestock in that region.

GET OFF MY LAND!!!!!

Indeed.

Of course when it comes to murdering creatures, it's all public property eh, Seth?

Er, the only "creature" one can "murder" is a human being. As for killing wolves, it's a great day for the ESA that wolves have recovered to the point they can be removed from the list, and it's a great day for stockmen and hunters who can now shoot wolves killing their livestock and get hunting licenses to keep the wolf population healthy and in check. Doesn't mean a free-for-all of wolf extermination though, shooting wolves is still highly regulated, but by the state, not by the feds.

Wolves, by the way, are NOT (and never have been) an endangered species because there have always been plenty of them in Canada, Alaska, Russia and elsewhere around the world. It was only the "discrete population segment" in the lower 48 that was "endangered."

It's a win-win all the way around.

[amused]

Birthers and truthers appear to be cut from the same dysfunctional cloth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2 ... ger_effect

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.[1]

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others" (p. 1127).[2] The effect is about paradoxical defects in cognitive ability, both in oneself and as one compares oneself to others.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Of course when it comes to murdering creatures, it's all public property eh, Seth?

The purpose of the ESA is to get animals off the list, so it is succeeding when an animal is delisted. If the states mismanage the animals when they are granted control the animals will go back on the list. So killing them wantonly is a good way to keep the Feds involved in the issue. Dumbass hunters don't understand this.

[FBM]

Obama will wait until the last minute, allowing the birther movement maximum time to embarrass itself.

That's the way I'd play it.