The US Healthcare Mass Debate

[Forty Two]

Plenty of people 55-65 now get a benefit:
The study finds that on average nationwide, a 60-year-old making $25,000 per year would have to pay as much as $16,174 more per year for health insurance. That is a result of the possible elimination of two kinds of ObamaCare subsidies, which help people afford their premiums and out of pocket costs

States would affect that a small amount but nothing like ACA

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/35 ... are-repeal

Bullshit. $16,174 MORE for health insurance? They would have to pay $1,347 MORE PER MONTH for heallh insurance than they do now? What do they pay now? Nothing?

There are still bronze health insurance plans for $1100 in that age bracket. I've called and priced private insurance policies from several different insurance companies. A gold plan can be got for $1500 to $1700 per month. So, what're they buying gold policies for now? $250 per month?

These prices wouldn't even be in the realm of reason if it wasn't for Obamacare jacking up the prices.

Repeal it. Allow competition and increase, don't eliminate, the private insurance market. The price will go down. The Republican approach right now is bullshit too. It's piecemeal and dopey,and won't reduce prices at all. Fuck them. They had 7 years to come up with an alternative, and they're sitting around pulling their puds trying to adopt safe political territory. Fucking repeal the piece of shit. It's a monstrosity.

[Tero]

They would have to pay $1,347 MORE PER MONTH for heallh insurance than they do now? What do they pay now? Nothing?

I would guess they pay some hundreds, not 1000 currently.

[Tero]

Expect GOP leaders and White House officials to administer a full-court press this week as the parliamentary carriage carting the health care bill turns into a pumpkin at 11:59:59 p.m. ET on Sept. 30.

[Sean Hayden]

I don't get it. It seems like you've taken money from the rich to give health insurance to the poor, while increasing the rates of the middle in a country where the middle is anything over 30,000 a year. -such a sorry ass state of affairs

[L'Emmerdeur]

It's not looking good for the "No Fucking Insurance For You" bill.

'3 GOP Senators Oppose Graham-Cassidy, Effectively Blocking Health Care Bill'

The latest Republican push to repeal key parts of the Affordable Care Act appears to have met the fate of all previous Senate repeal efforts this year – it doesn't have the votes needed to pass the chamber.

Maine Sen. Susan Collins announced Monday that she'll oppose the bill, authored by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and Louisiana Sen. Bill Cassidy. Collins' decision means three Republicans have now publicly said they are against the bill – and that's one more than the GOP could afford to lose.

[Tero]

The way insurance works:
Put in Obamacare: raise insurance rates. Too many sick patients.
Repeal Obamacare: Raise rates, too few patients, still having to keep a staff for the public (not corporate) option.
Put half the country on Medicare: Raise rates for corporate clients. Too few patients now.
Any other change: raise insurance rates. No particular reason.

I could become a CEO! I know all the tricks.

[Forty Two]

They would have to pay $1,347 MORE PER MONTH for heallh insurance than they do now? What do they pay now? Nothing?

I would guess they pay some hundreds, not 1000 currently.

That's all it cost before Obamacare - even a family policy, for 3 people, purchased on the private market in 2013, before Obamacare kicked in, was around $400 or so, with a lower deductible than available now, and lower copays. In 2009 it was about the same, maybe $50 less. Now, that same policy as a nearly $7000 deductible, higher copays, and costs about $1100 per month - more than double, pushing triple.

Fuck off with Obamashit. It's apologists are fooling themselves.

[Forty Two]

Expect GOP leaders and White House officials to administer a full-court press this week as the parliamentary carriage carting the health care bill turns into a pumpkin at 11:59:59 p.m. ET on Sept. 30.

The GOP "plan" is a load of shit, too. But that doesn't improve Obamacare.

[Forty Two]

I don't get it. It seems like you've taken money from the rich to give health insurance to the poor, while increasing the rates of the middle in a country where the middle is anything over 30,000 a year. -such a sorry ass state of affairs

THE POOR WERE NOT UNINSURED BEFORE OBAMACARE!

I don't know where this myth gets traction that Obamacare afforded the poor with health insurance. It didn't. The poor could get Medicaid. Children always had free coverage available through SCHIP and its predecessory.

In 2009, about 85 to 90% of the fucking population was insured. The "uninsured" were mostly - more than half - young, single, or childless couples, who were making over $50,000 per year. Obamacare did nothing for those people, except make them go out and buy fucking more expensive health insurance that they did not want to buy when it was cheaper. About 1/4 of the "uninsured" were illegal aliens, and haven't been brought into the system by Obamacare anyway.

Obamacare's exchange provisions have only taken applications from about 12 million people, and most of them never get coverage through an Obamacare exchange policy because they don't fucking qualify for fucking subsidies. It's a fairly small number of people - most of which were not "poor" who both applied through the exchanges and got subsidized coverage. The joke is that the premiums shot through the fucking roof so the subsidies help pay the jacked up premiums, but they still pay double what they could have got good insurance policy for prior to Obamacare coming in and helping everyone out.

Christ. Yes, it's a cluster-fuck, but please, don't fall for the joke that Obamacare was ever about "the poor."

[Sean Hayden]

They did raise taxes on the rich. Because the idea was to expand Medicaid and CHIP, and offer subsidies and cheaper plans for low income families.

Apparently a whole lot more people are insured now than in 2009, 9% uninsured vs 16%.

It hasn't helped me. The middle class is shrinking everywhere except where they draw the lines for assistance, then it looks absurdly large.

[Forty Two]

They did raise taxes on the rich.

They raised taxes on everybody who pays taxes.

Because the idea was to expand Medicaid and CHIP, and offer subsidies and cheaper plans for low income families.

Well, they did not offer cheaper plans, that's for sure.

Apparently a whole lot more people are insured now than in 2009, 9% uninsured vs 16%.

Not that many more, and certainly not because of Obamacare. Recall the unemployment rate in 2009. As those folks got jobs, they tended to get covered through employer group plans. Obamacare covered a relatively few people.

If the idea was to cover people who were judged unable to pay for their own health insurance, why not just raise the Medicaid income cutoff, or create a sliding scale of Medicaid --as income increases, so does the amount of a person's contribution toward their Medicaid coverage. Done. Needy people helped, and single douchebags making $70k a year who want to go without insurance can go fuck off.

It hasn't helped me. The middle class is shrinking everywhere except where they draw the lines for assistance, then it looks absurdly large.

All it helped me do was pay more for health insurance than I do for my mortgage, property taxes, and homeowners insurance combined.

[Sean Hayden]

The rich took the biggest hit, we aren't "in this together". Even if I don't agree with where they draw the line regarding assistance and benefits, I'm utterly unsympathetic toward the rich and have no qualms about asking those who are bitching about an increase to demonstrate the real harm done to their lifestyles.

The only information I could find regarding employer health coverage shows continued decline into 2014, do you have something more recent? I keep finding information suggesting that more Americans are covered now as a result of Obamacare. Is it the bias of my Internet? --using duckduckgo

[pErvinalia]

I don't get it. It seems like you've taken money from the rich to give health insurance to the poor, while increasing the rates of the middle in a country where the middle is anything over 30,000 a year. -such a sorry ass state of affairs

THE POOR WERE NOT UNINSURED BEFORE OBAMACARE!

I don't know where this myth gets traction that Obamacare afforded the poor with health insurance. It didn't. The poor could get Medicaid.

Being in poverty wasn't/isn't sufficient enough to get Medicaid.

[pErvinalia]

The rich took the biggest hit, we aren't "in this together". Even if I don't agree with where they draw the line regarding assistance and benefits, I'm utterly unsympathetic toward the rich and have no qualms about asking those who are bitching about an increase to demonstrate the real harm done to their lifestyles.

The only information I could find regarding employer health coverage shows continued decline into 2014, do you have something more recent? I keep finding information suggesting that more Americans are covered now as a result of Obamacare. Is it the bias of my Internet? --using duckduckgo

Have you tried Fox News and Infowars?

[Tero]

pErv, I forget, what is your connection to the US?