2012 US Election -- Round 2

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Post by Gerald McGrew » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:42 pm

Obama, thinking he's off the record, lays out his plans for a second term.

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The result of this back-and-forth is an interview that’s unusually revealing, as the president, presuming this was off the record, was a bit more candid than he tends to be in on-the-record settings. One of the questions the Register asked was about how Obama plans to overcome congressional gridlock if he’s reelected. His answer is about the best summary we’ve heard from him on how he sees his second term going:
When you combine the Bush tax cuts expiring, the sequester in place, the commitment of both myself and my opponent — at least Governor Romney claims that he wants to reduce the deficit — but we’re going to be in a position where I believe in the first six months we are going to solve that big piece of business.

It will probably be messy. It won’t be pleasant. But I am absolutely confident that we can get what is the equivalent of the grand bargain that essentially I’ve been offering to the Republicans for a very long time, which is $2.50 worth of cuts for every dollar in spending, and work to reduce the costs of our health care programs.

And we can easily meet — “easily” is the wrong word — we can credibly meet the target that the Bowles-Simpson Commission established of $4 trillion in deficit reduction, and even more in the out-years, and we can stabilize our deficit-to-GDP ratio in a way that is really going to be a good foundation for long-term growth. Now, once we get that done, that takes a huge piece of business off the table.

The second thing I’m confident we’ll get done next year is immigration reform. And since this is off the record, I will just be very blunt. Should I win a second term, a big reason I will win a second term is because the Republican nominee and the Republican Party have so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community. And this is a relatively new phenomenon. George Bush and Karl Rove were smart enough to understand the changing nature of America. And so I am fairly confident that they’re going to have a deep interest in getting that done. And I want to get it done because it’s the right thing to do and I’ve cared about this ever since I ran back in 2008.

So assume that you get those two things done in the first year, and we’re implementing Wall Street reform, Obamacare turns out not to have been the scary monster that the other side has painted. Now we’re in a position where we can start on some things that really historically have not been ideological. We can start looking at a serious corporate tax reform agenda that’s revenue-neutral but lowers rates and broadens the base — something that both Republicans and Democrats have expressed an interest in.

I’ve expressed a deep desire and taken executive action to weed out regulations that aren’t contributing to the health and public safety of our people. And we’ve made a commitment to look back and see if there are regulations out there that aren’t working, then let’s get rid of them and see if we can clear out some of the underbrush on that. Again, that’s something that should be non-ideological.

My hope is, is that there’s a recognition that now is a great time to make infrastructure improvements all across the country. And we can pull up some of the money that we know we’re going to be spending over the next decade to put people back to work right now at a time when contractors are dying for work and interest rates are really low.
Now maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything terribly radical there. In fact, when you sum it up...deficit reduction, spending cuts, lowering corporate taxes, immigration reform, reducing regulations...that sounds very much like a moderate Republican.
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Re: 2012 US Election -- Round 2

Post by klr » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:50 pm

Maybe it was planted so it would leak just in time for the election. Swing a few Republicans near the centre. :plot:
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Post by Audley Strange » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:51 pm

Step right up ladies and gentlemen, come inside and you will witness the marvel of the "worlds greatest democracy" a country of such political freedom of choice, that absolutely anyone can become president as long as they are a Christian Capitalist.
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Post by Gerald McGrew » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:31 pm

Funny how that works, isn't it? Hard to believe that agenda comes from the guy the right wing refers to as a socialist/communist/Marxist.
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Post by Wumbologist » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:10 am

Politifact has rated Obama's claim that Romney will add $2 trillion in additional military spending as TRUE:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -military/

So again... he's going to spend more money that doesn't need to be spent, and somehow fix the deficit too?

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Re: 2012 US Election -- Round 2

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:26 am

What Obama means by "immigration reform" is to flood the country with as many Hispanics wanting welfare as possible and make them citizens, as they are locked Democrat votes.

Oh well, at least Obama is down by 7 in the latest polls.
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Post by Tero » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:27 am

Story now fixed. I had two Obamas in it yesterday.
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Re: 2012 US Election -- Round 2

Post by Gerald McGrew » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:54 pm

Obama is up to his highest probability of winning since October 9: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ And Romney's momentum from the first debate has stopped.

And finally, Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama

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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:49 pm

More problems for the Reconstructionists. God's out.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-di ... ght,30087/
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Post by Warren Dew » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:02 pm

Tyrannical wrote:What Obama means by "immigration reform" is to flood the country with as many Hispanics wanting welfare as possible and make them citizens, as they are locked Democrat votes.

Oh well, at least Obama is down by 7 in the latest polls.
Well, in the Gallup poll, which swings back and forth wildly.

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Post by Tero » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:19 pm

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Re: 2012 US Election -- Round 2

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:11 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Step right up ladies and gentlemen, come inside and you will witness the marvel of the "worlds greatest democracy" a country of such political freedom of choice, that absolutely anyone can become president as long as they are a Christian Capitalist.
Obama is a Christian, now? Jeez... folks around here keep saying he's really an atheist.

And, he's a "capitalist?" Obama?

Based on the identities and backgrounds of the 44 folks who have occupied the Presidency, it seems we don't do too bad in terms of Horatio Alger stories.

The "anyone can be President" line is a statistical red herring. In about 229 years we've had 44 Presidents, so the likelihood of any particular person becoming President is very low indeed. Assuming there have been somewhere between 500,000,000 Americans eligible to be President in the last 229 years, if they all had an equal chance at becoming President, the chances would be 0.0000000088 . So, no person can really claim that they have any substantial likelihood of becoming President, at least not until they have achieved a mountain of notariety and political clout in life.

But, many of our Presidents were born poor, lower and middle class. I daresay, we stack up pretty well against most other Western industrialized countries in that regard.

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Re: 2012 US Election -- Round 2

Post by Gerald McGrew » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:43 pm

So that endorsement from Colin Powell? The Romney campaign says it's just because they're both black...

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Re: 2012 US Election -- Round 2

Post by Ian » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Gerald McGrew wrote:So that endorsement from Colin Powell? The Romney campaign says it's just because they're both black...
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