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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by sandinista » Tue May 10, 2011 11:45 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:skewers? Holy shit man, you call that "skewers"? Not even close. Hitch needs to stick to religious debates because politically he consistently falls short. I would love to see him debate Chomsky and get destroyed like he was against George Galloway. Admittedly, Hitch isn't as far off politically as, say Sam Harris but :roll:
...and then of course he'll claim a moral equivalence (or more likely claim that the Americans are actually worse than Al Qaeta).
Whats this "moral equivalence" theory you are rallying against. That the US terror state is in some way morally superior to other "terrorists"? That bombing people, torturing people, and occupying their countries is in some way the moral highground?
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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 10, 2011 11:54 pm

.Morticia. wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
.Morticia. wrote:
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.Morticia. wrote:Historically Free meant Secular.
On what planet? In what historical century?

Free press never meant "secular" press. It never excluded secular press, but sectarian press is just as protected under freedom of the press than secular press.
you have refuted what I didn't write

read what I write
You wrote, "Historically Free meant Secular." Ignoring the grammar problem and the weird capitalization, historically "free" never meant "secular."

Did you write something else? Suggesting that "free" meant "secular" is just plain wrong.

historically

as in it meant something different to what it means now

and in europe, and not only the english language
Yes, I know. That's what I refuted. It never meant secular anywhere on this planet, ever.

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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue May 10, 2011 11:56 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:skewers? Holy shit man, you call that "skewers"? Not even close. Hitch needs to stick to religious debates because politically he consistently falls short. I would love to see him debate Chomsky and get destroyed like he was against George Galloway. Admittedly, Hitch isn't as far off politically as, say Sam Harris but :roll:
...and then of course he'll claim a moral equivalence (or more likely claim that the Americans are actually worse than Al Qaeta).
Whats this "moral equivalence" theory you are rallying against. That the US terror state is in some way morally superior to other "terrorists"? That bombing people, torturing people, and occupying their countries is in some way the moral highground?
I'm not rallying. But, I'm referring to the same one Hitchens referred to.

LOL - US "terror state" - listen to yourself... :fp:

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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by sandinista » Tue May 10, 2011 11:59 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:skewers? Holy shit man, you call that "skewers"? Not even close. Hitch needs to stick to religious debates because politically he consistently falls short. I would love to see him debate Chomsky and get destroyed like he was against George Galloway. Admittedly, Hitch isn't as far off politically as, say Sam Harris but :roll:
...and then of course he'll claim a moral equivalence (or more likely claim that the Americans are actually worse than Al Qaeta).
Whats this "moral equivalence" theory you are rallying against. That the US terror state is in some way morally superior to other "terrorists"? That bombing people, torturing people, and occupying their countries is in some way the moral highground?
I'm not rallying. But, I'm referring to the same one Hitchens referred to.
yah, baloney. :fp:
Coito ergo sum wrote:LOL - US "terror state" - listen to yourself...
:yawn: the root of one of your problems...one of :lol: , you can't see beyond your american identity. Attempt to empathize sometime. You may learn something.
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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 11, 2011 12:07 am

Gawd wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:skewers? Holy shit man, you call that "skewers"? Not even close. Hitch needs to stick to religious debates because politically he consistently falls short. I would love to see him debate Chomsky and get destroyed like he was against George Galloway. Admittedly, Hitch isn't as far off politically as, say Sam Harris but :roll:
In the debate I saw between Galloway and the Hitch, Galloway sounded like a fool and an apologist for Saddam Hussein (which, of course, he was).

But, Chomsky is just one one of those guys that will imply on the one hand that Al Qaeta or Arabs didn't "do" 9/11, and then call it a justifiable counterattack, and then of course he'll claim a moral equivalence (or more likely claim that the Americans are actually worse than Al Qaeta).
The Americans *did* create Al Qaeda and weaponized it, you know? Funny how you never hear any Americans apologize for creating terrorist organizations that come back to bite them.
Might be because Americans did not create Al Qaeta or weaponize it.
The Americans did. You think Al Qaeda just popped out of nowhere as an organized group with weapons, money, and military training galore?
The Americans did not. No, I don't think Al Qaeda just popped out of nowhere. I also don't think that things either pop out of nowhere or are creations of the United States, nor do I think that the United States is the only source of weapons in the world.

I also know that you don't have one shred of evidence or a source for you claim. You just say it.

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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 11, 2011 12:08 am

sandinista wrote:
:yawn: the root of one of your problems...one of :lol: , you can't see beyond your american identity. Attempt to empathize sometime. You may learn something.
Project much?

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Re: Osama bin Laden: Dead

Post by sandinista » Wed May 11, 2011 2:59 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
:yawn: the root of one of your problems...one of :lol: , you can't see beyond your american identity. Attempt to empathize sometime. You may learn something.
Project much?
no.
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