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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Forty Two » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:03 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:Stop feeling sorry for yourself - self-pity is such an ugly emotion.
Self-pity? You confuse mocking with self-pity? I'm laughing.

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So, how's draining the swamp project coming along?

Ah, yes, because there are no wealthy billionaires, superpacs, with advertising campaigns and moneyed efforts to elect Democrats and advance left wing politics.... Robert Reich says it's the Koch Brothers that's the problem, not George Soros...Johnathon Soros....we should call them "Soros & Son" -- Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffett, Pierre Omidyar, Tom Steyer. LOL.

And, just a list of talking points - "voter suppression" -- lol - because "white poll watchers" were at the polls. It's not because there are always poll watchers from both parties allowed to monitor to prevent shenanigans at the polls - nooooo -- it's because "white" poll watchers intimidate minorities. Can't have white poll workers, at least not if they're Republican. Democrat ones are fine, because as we know, the Democrats would never, ever, do anything to undermine Democracy. http://www.risingupwithsonali.com/jill- ... democracy/ and http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... story.html

How's the draining the swamp coming along? It's a big swamp, full of slimy creatures. It's going to take more than four months.
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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Animavore » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:15 pm

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Re: We need to talk about Donald – the Nightmare continues

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:34 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:Stop feeling sorry for yourself - self-pity is such an ugly emotion.
Self-pity? You confuse mocking with self-pity? I'm laughing.

Brian Peacock wrote:
So, how's draining the swamp project coming along?

Ah, yes, because there are no wealthy billionaires, superpacs, with advertising campaigns and moneyed efforts to elect Democrats and advance left wing politics.... Robert Reich says it's the Koch Brothers that's the problem, not George Soros...Johnathon Soros....we should call them "Soros & Son" -- Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffett, Pierre Omidyar, Tom Steyer. LOL.

And, just a list of talking points - "voter suppression" -- lol - because "white poll watchers" were at the polls. It's not because there are always poll watchers from both parties allowed to monitor to prevent shenanigans at the polls - nooooo -- it's because "white" poll watchers intimidate minorities. Can't have white poll workers, at least not if they're Republican. Democrat ones are fine, because as we know, the Democrats would never, ever, do anything to undermine Democracy. http://www.risingupwithsonali.com/jill- ... democracy/ and http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... story.html

How's the draining the swamp coming along? It's a big swamp, full of slimy creatures. It's going to take more than four months.
Oh get over yourself - the invasive influence of private money in public politics is a nonpartisan issue, even if the Koch brothers are currently bankrolling a Republican political agenda.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:41 pm

That isn't the point being made in the video, and you know it. Robert Reich was making clearly partisan points throughout that dopey video. Why not include others besides the Koch Bros? Why not mention that the issue is on both sides of the aisle, and not just on the right? It wasn't "rich moneyed interests" are a threat to Democracy - it was "the Koch brothers" are a threat to democracy.

And, there is nothing, at bottom, objectively wrong with "private money" in politics. There are problems, too, with "public money" in politics, since the "body politic" is made up of an indefinite number of political views, if you fund political views and candidates with public money, then you're having people who don't agree with certain views being forced to pay for the propagation of those views.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:08 pm

Forty Two wrote:That isn't the point being made in the video, and you know it. Robert Reich was making clearly partisan points throughout that dopey video. Why not include others besides the Koch Bros? Why not mention that the issue is on both sides of the aisle, and not just on the right? It wasn't "rich moneyed interests" are a threat to Democracy - it was "the Koch brothers" are a threat to democracy.

And, there is nothing, at bottom, objectively wrong with "private money" in politics. There are problems, too, with "public money" in politics, since the "body politic" is made up of an indefinite number of political views, if you fund political views and candidates with public money, then you're having people who don't agree with certain views being forced to pay for the propagation of those views.
Yes, Riech's making a particular point about the undemocratic influence of a handful of billionaires - with the Koch brothers representing the epitome of such an influence. Wasn't Trump's campaign ticket based, in large part, around allying himself with ordinary working people and holding out the promise of curbing the influence of just this kind of self-selecting elite? There's no reason why people shouldn't donate to political organisations, but the Koch brothers and their ilk are doing far more than just donating to the Republican party aren't they - they're driving the political agenda and policy in their favour and leaving ordinary working people out in the cold. Do you think this is a good state for the worlds greatest republican democracy to be in - reduced to being a mechanism by which the fabulously wealthy secure and expand their wealth, and with that their influence also?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:32 pm

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:07 am

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Donald Trump has stepped up his Twitter attack on London’s mayor over the response to Saturday’s terror attack, with a tirade that also appeared to rebuke the acting US ambassador to Britain.

With his latest tweet on Monday morning, Trump accused Sadiq Khan of making a “pathetic excuse” for his message to Londoners in the wake of the attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market. Trump wrote: “Pathetic excuse by London mayor Sadiq Khan, who had to think fast on his ‘no reason to be alarmed’ statement. [Mainstream media] is working hard to sell it!”

Trump’s initial criticism of Khan on Sunday was based on a misunderstanding of what the mayor had said. Early on Sunday morning, Khan had made a statement expressing grief and vowing that the terrorists “would not win”. Khan then added: “Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. There’s no reason to be alarmed.”

A few hours later on Sunday, Trump seemed to interpret that as suggesting Londoners should not be alarmed by terrorism.

“At least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of London says there is “no reason to be alarmed!” Trump said.

The London mayor’s office responded by saying Khan had “more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump’s ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks.”

Later on Sunday, the acting US ambassador to Britain, Lewis Lukens, put out a thread of tweets, culminating in a retweet of Khan’s statement and Lukens’ praise for the mayor.

“I commend the strong leadership of the mayor of London as he leads the city forward after this heinous attack,” the acting ambassador said.

In more normal times, such a message of solidarity with a host mayor in an allied state would be unremarkable, but it unleashed a torrent of online abuse from Trump’s supporters, accusing Lukens of disloyalty. Some focused on the fact that the acting ambassador was offering support for a foreign official who is Muslim rather than echoing the president. There were also calls for Lukens to be replaced.

Trump appeared to have picked up on conservative commentary on Monday morning, noting that the London embassy had not had a full ambassador since January. On Twitter he blamed Democrats in Congress for slowing the process.

“Dems are taking forever to approve my people, including ambassadors. They are nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS! Want approvals,” he tweeted.

However, although Trump announced on 19 January he had picked Woody Johnson, the owner of the New York Jets, to be the ambassador to the UK, Johnson has yet to be formally nominated to the Senate for confirmation.

So far, the Trump White House has made only 11 nominations for 188 ambassadorial posts. The state department is also operating without much of its senior management because of a lack of nominations.

Once nominations are made, the Democrats would not be able to block them on their own; the Republicans have a slight majority, which is usually enough to confirm appointments.

Trump’s complaint about ambassadorial confirmations suggests he was well aware of the row over Lukens’ remarks when he fired off his second attack on Khan.

With his tweet, Trump seemed to lash out at the mayor’s office’s critical remarks about his initial intervention, coupled with a routine barb aimed at the “mainstream media” (MSM) – presumably for reporting that Trump had mischaracterised the mayor’s original statement....

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:17 am

Forty Two wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:Stop feeling sorry for yourself - self-pity is such an ugly emotion.
How's the draining the swamp coming along? It's a big swamp, full of slimy creatures. It's going to take more than four months.
:fp: He's actively added to the swamp.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:18 am

pErvin wrote:Imagine supporting a person like that? How fucking embarrassed would you be? Not embarrassed enough, apparently..
People supported Trump not just because what he said and what he promised resonated with them, but because he represented the opposition to those they disfavoured politically and personally. I think that many people who voted for him are still hoping that he'll put his campaign rhetoric into practice--though he's shown little sign of delivering--but even if he doesn't live up to expectations, and even if he fails spectacularly, at least he's not that nasty woman... such a nasty woman... so nasty.
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He's so ignorant he thinks ignorant means stupid.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:19 am

Forty Two wrote:That isn't the point being made in the video, and you know it. Robert Reich was making clearly partisan points throughout that dopey video. Why not include others besides the Koch Bros? Why not mention that the issue is on both sides of the aisle, and not just on the right? It wasn't "rich moneyed interests" are a threat to Democracy - it was "the Koch brothers" are a threat to democracy.
He's been a strong critic of money in both sides of politics. And he was a strong critic of Hillary Clinton. But don't let that stop your tu-quoque/red-herring nonsense.
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Forty Two wrote:How's the draining the swamp coming along? It's a big swamp, full of slimy creatures. It's going to take more than four months.
I wonder about your definition of "draining the swamp", what with Tillerson being an ex-CEO and COO of Exxon, Mnuchin a partner of Goldman Sachs, DeVos and Ross being billionaires and the personal assets of Trump's cabinet collectively amounting to around $14 billion.
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Post by JimC » Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:20 am

Later on Sunday, the acting US ambassador to Britain, Lewis Lukens, put out a thread of tweets, culminating in a retweet of Khan’s statement and Lukens’ praise for the mayor.

“I commend the strong leadership of the mayor of London as he leads the city forward after this heinous attack,” the acting ambassador said.
Lukens (stout chap) is clearly not interested in further career moves under the Trump administration... :tea:
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