27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

[Seth]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

Fair enough. It shouldn't be much of a comparison; guns should be far more regulated than cars. But it's the other way around.

Horseshit. When was the last time you had to have a background check through the FBI to buy a car?

Ok, but if you carry your gun drunk, you should have it confiscated and your permit revoked.

You will. Moreover, you'll go to jail because it's a misdemeanor crime to be in possession of a firearm while intoxicated.

Would that cars were regulated that closely and we could simply confiscate and imprison every drunk driver.

[Gallstones]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

Fair enough. It shouldn't be much of a comparison; guns should be far more regulated than cars. But it's the other way around.

Horseshit. When was the last time you had to have a background check through the FBI to buy a car?

Ok, but if you carry your gun drunk, you should have it confiscated and your permit revoked.

It is already illegal to imbibe intoxicants while holding a firearm.
Having a Concealed Carry permit does not excuse a person from responsible sobriety.
So yes, your liberty and your permit and your right to purchase, own and have can be revoked in which case.

[Kristie]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

That's because it's such an apt comparison and so brilliantly illuminates the cognitive impairment of hoplophobes and gun banners.

It's the most bullshit comparison I've ever heard of! Cars are designed to get people from one place to another. You can have your license suspended if you don't obey traffic laws. Guns are unnecessary and designed to kill.

[Gallstones]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

That's because it's such an apt comparison and so brilliantly illuminates the cognitive impairment of hoplophobes and gun banners.

It's the most bullshit comparison I've ever heard of! Cars are designed to get people from one place to another. You can have your license suspended if you don't obey traffic laws. Guns are unnecessary and designed to kill.

Except for those instances when it is necessary to kill.

[Blind groper]

the last time the Democrats tried that they lost their asses in Congress and the White House.

That appears to be correct. One of the items I read mentioned the difficulty of changing gun laws, despite that being the wish of the majority. It appears that gun nutters are prepared to base their vote entirely on the gun issue, while saner voters base their vote on a wider range of issues. Gun owners represent only 30% of Americans, but that 30% are sufficient to sway the vote, when they are so strongly focused on gun issues, while the other 70% are more concerned about things like the economy, health care, unemployment etc.

[Gallstones]

Gallstones

I said "amended".
That word should not imply the whole constitution.

Oh, and BTW, that's The Constitution.

Not being American, I am not expert on this. But as I understand it, the constitution can be amended with a two thirds majority vote in congress?

As in the entire document.

[Kristie]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

That's because it's such an apt comparison and so brilliantly illuminates the cognitive impairment of hoplophobes and gun banners.

It's the most bullshit comparison I've ever heard of! Cars are designed to get people from one place to another. You can have your license suspended if you don't obey traffic laws. Guns are unnecessary and designed to kill.

Except for those instances when it is necessary to kill.

But that could be said of anything. So, bullshit comparison is still bullshit.

[Gallstones]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

That's because it's such an apt comparison and so brilliantly illuminates the cognitive impairment of hoplophobes and gun banners.

It's the most bullshit comparison I've ever heard of! Cars are designed to get people from one place to another. You can have your license suspended if you don't obey traffic laws. Guns are unnecessary and designed to kill.

Except for those instances when it is necessary to kill.

But that could be said of anything. So, bullshit comparison is still bullshit.

So, if you had to kill something, what would you prefer to use?

[Kristie]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

Fair enough. It shouldn't be much of a comparison; guns should be far more regulated than cars. But it's the other way around.

Horseshit. When was the last time you had to have a background check through the FBI to buy a car?

Ok, but if you carry your gun drunk, you should have it confiscated and your permit revoked.

You will. Moreover, you'll go to jail because it's a misdemeanor crime to be in possession of a firearm while intoxicated.

Would that cars were regulated that closely and we could simply confiscate and imprison every drunk driver.

But you can carry a gun into bars in some states? That makes total sense. And, before you say 'you drive cars to bars', just because you drive there, that doesn't mean you will drive home. My vehicle has been left at a bar more than once.

[Kristie]

So, if you had to kill something, what would you prefer to use?

I would prefer not to kill something. Except bugs, but I stomp on them.

[Ian]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

Fair enough. It shouldn't be much of a comparison; guns should be far more regulated than cars. But it's the other way around.

Horseshit. When was the last time you had to have a background check through the FBI to buy a car?

There was the time I had just gotten back into the country after being deployed for 6 months, during which time my driver's license expired (being younger and less careful, I didn't think about it before I left). Trying to buy a new car once I was back was quite a headache. I had to get copies of my utility bills and other proof that I was a Virginia resident, and the DMV had to get my old license credentials from Connecticut. My fiance had to drive me around for a couple days before I could get my new license from the DMV so I could finally get the dealer to sell me a car. But I certainly don't blame the DMV - for obvious security reasons they can't just hand out photo ID's to anyone who shows up with an expired out-of-state license. And I don't blame the dealer either - they would rightly be in trouble for selling a car to anyone showing up who merely promises that they are qualified to drive.

But if my fiance drove me to a gun show during those few days, I could've walked out with a nice little arsenal with no background check at all.

Horseshit is what you are shoveling.

[Gallstones]

To say that in the context of 20 dead little children is deeply, deeply sick.

"It's their parent's problem, not mine ; I have my guns, that's the really important thing"

Today 18,000 children died because they starved to death. Did you eat more food than you needed for survival?

I didn't know any of those dead kids either, and it was no less a tragedy to the people who loved them than the 20 kids who were shot to death in Newtown, CT.

In the purely logical sense, mass shootings are not a particularly common or overwhelming problem. It is only when you rely on emotional pleas that they seem to be so.

need a serious math lesson let alone a compassion lesson.....

I was specifically referring to those who died in mass shootings in the United States in 2012, which is less than thirty.

The price of the freedom to own machines which fire little pellets of alloy so fast they can kill people is that you tolerate those little pellets killing people at a level most of the world finds breathtakingly puzzling and staggeringly stupid.

The price of the freedom to own machines that are made of 2,000 pounds of steel that can travel at more than 100 mph and contain 10 or more gallons of extremely flammable liquid is that you tolerate those 2,000 pound hunks of steel killing 40,000 people in the United States alone in every given year.

Four times as many people died in the US in automobile accidents friday as died in Sandy Hook Elementary School, and that same number of people died in car accidents every single day this year in this country.

Nobody's out campaigning to make it harder to buy a car or get a driver's license.

Or ban cigarettes or tell parents that they can not smoke around their children.

[Kristie]

To say that in the context of 20 dead little children is deeply, deeply sick.

"It's their parent's problem, not mine ; I have my guns, that's the really important thing"

Today 18,000 children died because they starved to death. Did you eat more food than you needed for survival?

I didn't know any of those dead kids either, and it was no less a tragedy to the people who loved them than the 20 kids who were shot to death in Newtown, CT.

In the purely logical sense, mass shootings are not a particularly common or overwhelming problem. It is only when you rely on emotional pleas that they seem to be so.

need a serious math lesson let alone a compassion lesson.....

I was specifically referring to those who died in mass shootings in the United States in 2012, which is less than thirty.

The price of the freedom to own machines which fire little pellets of alloy so fast they can kill people is that you tolerate those little pellets killing people at a level most of the world finds breathtakingly puzzling and staggeringly stupid.

The price of the freedom to own machines that are made of 2,000 pounds of steel that can travel at more than 100 mph and contain 10 or more gallons of extremely flammable liquid is that you tolerate those 2,000 pound hunks of steel killing 40,000 people in the United States alone in every given year.

Four times as many people died in the US in automobile accidents friday as died in Sandy Hook Elementary School, and that same number of people died in car accidents every single day this year in this country.

Nobody's out campaigning to make it harder to buy a car or get a driver's license.

Or ban cigarettes or tell parents that they can not smoke around their children.

Actually, people campaign against cigarettes everyday! Laws are getting stricter on where you can light up. Not being allowed to smoke in a vehicle with children is next, thank FSM!

[Blind groper]

Except for those instances when it is necessary to kill.

The statistics are against you, Gallstones. It is rarely necessary to kill.
As I showed earlier, 87% of killings in the home are suicide, where the gunowner or a member of his/her family kills themselves. The increased incidence of suicide in the home is 2 to 10 fold as a result of there being a gun in the home. Killings as a result of a person defending him/herself run at about 1% of killings as murder.

So basically, it is very infrequent when a killing is needed. The greatest bulk of killings with guns are murders or suicides, not self defense. Statistically, having a gun in the home increases the likelihood of a family member being killed with a gun, rather than reducing it.

[Gallstones]

Oh dog, do I hate it when people compare cars to guns.

Why? It's a perfect analogy, with an elegant one to one correspondence. Guns are devices designed specifically to kill, while cars are also designed specifically to kill. It's just, with cars, you look goooood on the way to the reaper. Check out my sweet ride of death, bitches!

Cigarettes are products designed specifically to cause addiction. It is only a side effect that they kill more people than all other preventable causes combined.