The suzerain Trump

[Animavore]

Sad. Isn't it?

[Forty Two]

So all this will not stop one determined terrorist NOT ONE !!! . Homophobia sexism and racism will be tolerated by Americans but not poor indoctrinated children whose countries have been turned into smoking ruins ?
Nothing in the Trump sound bite is practical that wasn't already being done !

The travel restrictions are not designed to block "poor indoctrinated children."

The restriction is for 90 days from 7 risky countries - we're talking about Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, etc. The 90 days is to give time for a system to be put in place to vet the immigrants. There is a 120 hiatus on refugees to put in a system for them. Doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

[Scot Dutchy]

Trump just wants to confuse. He pumping out as many lies has he can in order that no one will know what the real truth is which is why his appointments have been the total of the opposite that is required.

[Tero]

Brave Homeland Security finds 1-6 terrorist right away and turns back plane with 15 terrorists on Air France flight.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5302702583001/#sp=show-clips

[Forty Two]

They're simply digging their heels in. Those that really believed he would change things, and not, obviously, the white supremacists who knew what was really going on (who are rejoicing). They know they've done bad, but manning up and admitting it that they were wrong, so far, evades them.

So far.

Arabs are white, according to, among other sources, the US Census Bureau.

And, Nazis and Arabs traditionally got along great. "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France" - Adolph Hitler.

Albert Speer wrote that that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs." The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Berbers and Arabs had won the Battle of Tours in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament." Hitler said "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world." One big reason white supremacists tend to like Arabs is that they have a mutual hatred of Jews.

[Forty Two]

Brave Homeland Security finds 1-6 terrorist right away and turns back plane with 15 terrorists on Air France flight.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5302702583001/#sp=show-clips

Oh, my word. A handful of persons from Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, or ISIS Controlled Territories, etc., were turned away. This is a crisis of world-shaking proportions.

France deports almost 20,000 Roma migrants in one year, which is eminently reasonable.

In 2015 the UK deported/removed over 40,000 people. That's perfectly sound, non-protest-worthy immigration policy. Similarly not worthy of protest is UK's policy to "work with" the Nigerian government to help the UK deport 29,000 Nigerians from the UK.

Germany's system of mass-deportations is perfectly sound, eminently reasonable policy, too.

The US should take a lesson from those western industrialized countries, because detaining a few hundred in-bound people from 7 designated high-risk countries, and ultimately turning away a handful or two, well, that's just beyond the pale. It's Nazi Germany. I mean, to not allow unfettered immigration from Yemen and Libya and Sudan and Somalia? That's tantamount to gas chambers.

[DRSB]

BREAKING: Leaked Memo Reveals Donald Trump’s Real Plan. It’s Horrifying.

Donald Trump is certainly no friend of the environment, and his recent plans to overturn the Endangered Species Act is evidence of that. But the bad news is that Trump’s war against Mother Nature is just getting started.

http://www.learnprogress.org/leaked-mem ... YTMxIn0%3D

[Forty Two]

Trump just wants to confuse. He pumping out as many lies has he can in order that no one will know what the real truth is which is why his appointments have been the total of the opposite that is required.

Tend to your own back-yard, if you have a concern. https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/27 ... -minister/ and http://www.politico.eu/article/geert-wi ... epublican/

But, a far right Dutch politician, as we know, would be far left in the US, so Wilders election would be like if Bernie Sanders were elected in the US.

[Forty Two]

BREAKING: Leaked Memo Reveals Donald Trump’s Real Plan. It’s Horrifying.

Donald Trump is certainly no friend of the environment, and his recent plans to overturn the Endangered Species Act is evidence of that. But the bad news is that Trump’s war against Mother Nature is just getting started.

http://www.learnprogress.org/leaked-mem ... YTMxIn0%3D

Alright, I clicked through the hysteria, but I must say I did not see a link to a "leaked memo." Did you see that in there? Can you do me a solid, and post the link to the "leaked memo?"

[Tero]

Brave Homeland Security finds 1-6 terrorist right away and turns back plane with 15 terrorists on Air France flight.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5302702583001/#sp=show-clips

Oh, my word. A handful of persons from Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, or ISIS Controlled Territories, etc., were turned away. This is a crisis of world-shaking proportions.

France deports almost 20,000 Roma migrants in one year, which is eminently reasonable.

In 2015 the UK deported/removed over 40,000 people. That's perfectly sound, non-protest-worthy immigration policy. Similarly not worthy of protest is UK's policy to "work with" the Nigerian government to help the UK deport 29,000 Nigerians from the UK.

Germany's system of mass-deportations is perfectly sound, eminently reasonable policy, too.

The US should take a lesson from those western industrialized countries, because detaining a few hundred in-bound people from 7 designated high-risk countries, and ultimately turning away a handful or two, well, that's just beyond the pale. It's Nazi Germany. I mean, to not allow unfettered immigration from Yemen and Libya and Sudan and Somalia? That's tantamount to gas chambers.

It\s not nothing. Those people had obtained savings to fly over and were returned. Now they have no money to make another flight to the US.

[Tero]

At a protest in front of Philadelphia International Airport's international arrivals terminal Sunday surrounded by a massive crowd of chanting supporters waving pro-immigrant signs, Tawfik Assali, the son of two of the people turned away and nephew of Sarmad and cousin to Sarah, told CNN he had been very excited to see his parents.
"I was, like, one hour-and-a-half away from them," he said. "I haven't seen them for three years, so, it was really hard for me to not hug them, to not be with them."
While attorneys are still working on the case, he and Sarah both said they were encouraged and felt support from the large crowd that turned out Sunday and the other people who had reached out to help the family. Sarah also said that her family will begin a GoFundMe page to support her family members' travel expenses and legal fees.
"Thank you to everyone," Sarah told CNN. "We didn't expect this, we never thought we'd be in the position we're in now. So I'm very thankful. This is the America that we do know, and that we do love. And I'm just grateful."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/us/syrian ... ravel-ban/

[Scot Dutchy]

Once again comparing apples and oranges. Illegals are something else. People who have official green cards and visa's are being refused entry to America. People who already have lived there for years and have made a life there. You cannot compare them to economic immigrants who come in on a temporary visa and fail to leave or have failed entrance exams.

[Forty Two]

It\s not nothing. Those people had obtained savings to fly over and were returned. Now they have no money to make another flight to the US.

LOL - that's an interesting assumption, which you have no way of knowing, and which nobody has reported. It may well be that these are well-to-do folks. One of the things that gets people higher scrutiny is when they make repeat trips back and forth to high-risk areas. I don't know, and neither do you.

The protests are jumped up nonsense, and the majority of people know it. The hyperbolic language, comparisons to Hitler and the holocaust, and the bouncing around hollering about how "horrifying" everything is, well, that's not going to convince the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans see a policy that says we're going to be careful about people coming in from Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and ISIS controlled territory, etc. and they're going to say "that sounds a bit reasonable - check them out - and if they're cool, let them in, and if they're questionable, keep them out."

You want to push more people away from the leftist cause? Keep sending screaming blue-hairs to clog up the airport and irritate/delay travelers. It's like the laughable Leftist Women's March on Washington. Everyone knows the big plan was to have a major women's event when Hillary Clinton won -- it was going to be a coronation, with worldwide celebration. When Trump won, they changed it to a protest against ...... the other guy that got elected, and everyone got to listen to how Madonna wants to blow up the white house and how the left doesn't acknowledge Trump as the legitimate President ...and everyone got to see the same people declaring that it was the worst thing in the world not to respect the outcome of an election, well....not respect the outcome of an election.

The average person things this shit is purposefully overblown, because it quite simply is purposefully overblown. It's Chicken Little. It's Crying Wolf. Nobody is buying it anymore.

[Brian Peacock]

OKAY. So the most rigorous visa application system of any western nation wasn't rigorous enough and the lack of a suitable ideological test, to establush the political correctness (in it's original sense) of potential immigrants, was a failing. So...

Well, i would like some evidence that the US had the most rigorous application system of any western nation. I'm fairly well familiar with immigration laws, and generally I am surprised by Europeans when they criticize the US about this, because European countries tend to have more restrictive immigration systems (except for EU countries, of course). On what basis do you say that the visa application system used by the US for immigrants or nonimmigrants from the listed 7 countries was more rigorous than that used by any other western nation?

How many terrorist attacks has the US suffered from documented immigrants from one of the forbidden countries?

Not sure of the answer to that question. However, when the Obama administration noted these 7 countries as high risk countries, to be subjected to greater scrutiny, were you worried about it then? Note, the Trump executive order does not mention these 7 countries, but rather refers to them by reference to countries which had previously been categorized in 2015 by the Department of Homeland Security.... That's why Trump is claiming the right to do this -- the authority was already delegated by act of Congress, and partially implemented by the DHS under Obama.

The 9/11 terrorist were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Lebanon - why are people from these Muslim majority states not automatically banned from entering the US.

9/11 was 15 1/2 years ago, and the terrorist problem is now, and was then, bigger than the events of 9/11/01. Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Syria, etc. are problems in their own right. ISIS wasn't around at 9/11/01, and the Syrian war involving ISIS was not around. The Libyan government had not yet been overthrown by the Obama Administration "leading from behind" as the UK and France took the lead to take down Qaddafi and set forth the civil war that ensued. The Arab Spring had not occurred ,where terrorist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood gained significant power, etc.

The Obama administration, not the incompetent and buffoonish Trump administration, recognized the issues with these 7 countries, and it can't possibly be said that the Obama administration was anything other than fairminded and competent. See also Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015

What quantity or level of secueoty threat do child refugees from Syria present to the American people?

Well, refugees are being treated separately from general immigration. Not all immigrants and nonimmigrant travelers are refugees, and in fact most aren't.

The issue is not the actual refugees who are in fact suffering a well founded fear of persecution or violence. The issue with refugees is that a bulk acceptance of thousands or 10s of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of refugees can be used by ne'er-do-wells to conceal themselves and gain entry into a country. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739 ... e-refugees and http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-into-re/

Ok, I should have said that the US has one of the most rigorous immigration vetting regimens in the West, with applications from refugees taking 18 to 24 months to process and requiring interviews and background checks through multiple federal agencies. Trump has said he wants 'more strictures' but hasn't said what they would or should be.

The premise is that the immigration system has been putting Americans at risk, so the (unanswered) question about the actual number of immigrant terror attacks in the US is both pertinent and relevant to the policy.

The issue about Syrian refuges is highlighted by the question about Syrian child refugees and the level of threat they pose to the American people. The Syrian refugee program has been suspended indefinitely - an effective bar on all child refugees displaced by the war.

In the fiscal year 2016 the US accepted 12,486 Syrian refugees. For comparison, Germany took c.300,000, and since the start of the civil war Turkey has proccessed 2.7m, Lebanon has accepted 1m and Jordan 650,000.

Under thw suspended system Syrian refugees to the US first had to be referred by one of the UN refugees agencies before Federal and other agency vetting would start, and a major factor in their final acceptance was whether they already had family in the US. So the question remains, what threat do child refugees from Syria pose to the American people, if the presumed risk of admittance is to justify their ongoing exclusion?

The issue regarding ideological screening to establish the poltical correctness of potential immigrants also remains unaddressed, let alone the idea of prioritising Christian applicants.

You seem far more comfortable ad homming the previous administration than supporting the virtues and policies of the current one. It would be nice to focus on and discuss Trump and his administration in the Trump threads rather than gish galloping into debate about how terrible you think Obama was.

[Tero]

It\s not nothing. Those people had obtained savings to fly over and were returned. Now they have no money to make another flight to the US.

LOL - that's an interesting assumption, which you have no way of knowing, and which nobody has reported. It may well be that these are well-to-do folks. One of the things that gets people higher scrutiny is when they make repeat trips back and forth to high-risk areas. I don't know, and neither do you.

The protests are jumped up nonsense, and the majority of people know it. The hyperbolic language, comparisons to Hitler and the holocaust, and the bouncing around hollering about how "horrifying" everything is, well, that's not going to convince the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans see a policy that says we're going to be careful about people coming in from Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and ISIS controlled territory, etc. and they're going to say "that sounds a bit reasonable - check them out - and if they're cool, let them in, and if they're questionable, keep them out."

You want to push more people away from the leftist cause? Keep sending screaming blue-hairs to clog up the airport and irritate/delay travelers. It's like the laughable Leftist Women's March on Washington. Everyone knows the big plan was to have a major women's event when Hillary Clinton won -- it was going to be a coronation, with worldwide celebration. When Trump won, they changed it to a protest against ...... the other guy that got elected, and everyone got to listen to how Madonna wants to blow up the white house and how the left doesn't acknowledge Trump as the legitimate President ...and everyone got to see the same people declaring that it was the worst thing in the world not to respect the outcome of an election, well....not respect the outcome of an election.

The average person things this shit is purposefully overblown, because it quite simply is purposefully overblown. It's Chicken Little. It's Crying Wolf. Nobody is buying it anymore.

Very funny. Just shut up here. You did not arrive in the US with two suit cases in hand. I did, in 1966, at age 12.