kiki5711 wrote:And that's just how it is, and should be, because no dispatcher can know everything the person on the scene knows and thus cannot make a proper judgment about what to do, even if they had any legal authority to do so, which they don't.
Why call the dispatcher in the first place then? unless it was for some kind of alibi mix (just in case he end up shooting someone".
To summon the police of course! Are you being deliberately obtuse or is your judgment really that clouded by racism?
The dispatcher, with her/his experience know things like this usually end very badly.
Really? And you know this how, exactly? How many years did you spend behind the microphone? I spent eight years there and you're completely full of shit.
Zimm wasn't calling the store manager for info, he was calling the police dispatcher. It's pretty obvious they're not going to tell him "yea, you sound positive, go and get the suckker even if you have to kill him".
If it's so obvious, why are you entirely unable to comprehend difference between the observations and actions of a person on the crime scene who has full knowledge of what's going on and a policy statement given by a person in a dark room miles away who has very little actual knowledge of what's going on, and who is trained to understand that even that information may be skewed, biased, incorrect, false or merely incomplete?
They're going to tell him what the best route is to take, and on that night suggestion was "we don't need you to do that". That was a reasonable suggestion (for zimms safety as well) and if zimm had followed it, I don't think a confrontation would have taken place.
It appears that by the time the "reasonable suggestion" was given it was too late and Martin had already made his decision to return and confront Zimmerman with violence. Unfortunately for Martin, Zimmerman was not as Martin evidently presumed he was; an unarmed old guy who could be intimidated or assaulted with impunity. Sun Tzu said something about that several thousand years ago: "Know thy enemy."
Now let's say, if zimm stayed in his car, and martin approached his car in a violent manner, then "no doubt" he would of had a clear "self defense" case.
Twenty-twenty hindsight is pointless.
It's not about following orders, it's about making a common sense decision when you're in doubt.
Zimmerman evidently did make common sense decisions. He obeyed the law, and when things went south, he called 911 and then, in fact, followed the dispatcher's suggestion. It was Martin who returned to confront Zimmerman and then attacked him, according to the evidence in hand.
Clearly dispatchers have tons of experience dealing with people and can tell where a situation is leading and they make a strong suggestion.
Yes, they do, and no, they can't. Their suggestions are entirely policy driven and are part of their training program. They are trained to always suggest that a caller do whatever is required to be safe, and unless they are EMD (Emergency Medical Dispatch) certified, which allows them to give specific, pre-canned directions for life-saving first aid actions, they are trained NOT to tell callers what to do, because if they are wrong about the circumstances that obtain, they can lose their jobs and even be sued for giving bad advice.
zimm didn't have to follow direction from dispatcher as far as legality goes, but he should have if he had any common sense at all, or was at least trained how to deal with situations.
Evidently, he did, and was then attacked from behind by an enraged Martin, who lost his life by underestimating his enemy's power.
Whatever, happened that night, he brought it on himself, killed another human being, and is now trying to use "SYG" law to get away with it.
All the evidence points to his acting lawfully and reasonably under the circumstances. You just object because he had the gall to actually keep tabs on strangers apparantly bent on mischief in his community and do something about it (calling the police). Your arguments appear to be motivated by racial bias and not reason and facts, and you appear to have decided that Zimmerman was wrong regardless of how strong his justification for using live-saving self defense tactics in a deadly confrontation that he did NOT initiate. The notion that a resident of a private community does not have authority to question a stranger in his or her community to see if they have license to be there is a pernicious idea held by servile people who are too cowardly to take upon themselves their unalienable right to protect their community from criminal activity.
All Martin had to do to avoid getting shot is to keep his temper, go to the place he was authorized to be, and CALL THE POLICE and report the incident. Instead, he attacked Zimmerman and got himself killed by his victim. He didn't, now he's dead. That's very sad, but better him than Zimmerman who, it seems, broke no laws at all the entire time.
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