US Prez Election 2012 Thread - Opinions and Discussions

[Hermit]

As racist as Obama is.......

Projecting much?

[eXcommunicate]

As racist as Obama is, I just don't understand why he doesn't lead his people back to Africa. When you think that racism will always be a problem, then there is only one thing to do.......

I call Poe.

[Coito ergo sum]

Can he win? Probably not. Obama's billionaire donors will bury Romney in negative ads - in fact, they've already started to do so.

Dude, you can be a hoot sometimes. Y'know that? Obama's billionaire donors will bury Romney in negative ads... lol

Well, they're both rich, but Obama has more money, and bigger donors, easily. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contr ... =N00009638

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Big donors considering whether to work the phones raising money for President Obama’s reelection campaign might consider the fate of his 2008 bundlers. Many of them, it turns out, won plum jobs in his administration.

[eXcommunicate]

Can he win? Probably not. Obama's billionaire donors will bury Romney in negative ads - in fact, they've already started to do so.

Dude, you can be a hoot sometimes. Y'know that? Obama's billionaire donors will bury Romney in negative ads... lol

Well, they're both rich, but Obama has more money, and bigger donors, easily. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contr ... =N00009638

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Big donors considering whether to work the phones raising money for President Obama’s reelection campaign might consider the fate of his 2008 bundlers. Many of them, it turns out, won plum jobs in his administration.

They both will run tens of millions of dollars in negative advertising. I doubt very much that either will be able to "bury" the other in negative ads. They'll both be knee deep in it. If anything, Romney needs to run more negative advertising in order to paint the Obama Administration as an economic failure and to paint the current (slow) recovery as something worse than it is. Romney positive ads will focus heavily on nostalgia, for a "better time" in the past where American titans of industry and joined forces with plucky small town folks to build a red white and blue Christian economic powerhouse. They'll also jump on every single uptick in gas prices this Summer, guaranteed. In contrast, Obama will have to make things look rosier than they are, and/or project an air of confidence and steadfast improvement, meaning he'll have to lean heavier on positive advertising. Look for "halftime in America" style of positive advertising, focusing on a promising future of economic progress.

[Coito ergo sum]

Can he win? Probably not. Obama's billionaire donors will bury Romney in negative ads - in fact, they've already started to do so.

Dude, you can be a hoot sometimes. Y'know that? Obama's billionaire donors will bury Romney in negative ads... lol

Well, they're both rich, but Obama has more money, and bigger donors, easily. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contr ... =N00009638

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Big donors considering whether to work the phones raising money for President Obama’s reelection campaign might consider the fate of his 2008 bundlers. Many of them, it turns out, won plum jobs in his administration.

They both will run tens of millions of dollars in negative advertising. I doubt very much that either will be able to "bury" the other in negative ads. They'll both be knee deep in it. If anything, Romney needs to run more negative advertising in order to paint the Obama Administration as an economic failure and to paint the current (slow) recovery as something worse than it is. They'll also jump on every single uptick in gas prices this Summer, guaranteed. In contrast, Obama will have to make things look rosier than they are, and/or project an air of confidence and steadfast improvement, meaning he'll have to lean heavier on positive advertising.

Exclusively ads, no. You are right. But, Obama has the media in general on his side. MSNBC is an unapologetic shill for Obama, and NPR is a skillful apologist which, even when they pretend to be critical, always wind up finding something positive to say. ABC, CBS and NBC, the biggies, are all pro-Obama.

It is not hard to paint the current "slow" recovery, such as it is, in a negative light. Frankly, it is a piss-poor recovery, as far as recoveries go. It's awful.

And, they should jump on the uptick in gas prices, as they should jump on the fact that Obama was just lobbying to kill the Keystone pipeline, etc.

I think Obama leaning on positive advertising is a bit of hopeful, wishful thinking. He didn't do it when bashing the crap out of McCain, and he will, I'm sure, bash the hell out of Romney.

I think it will be a bloody campaign. One advantage Romney has is that, presumably, we've seen the dirty laundry already. When Obama tries to say "I find it odd that now Romney thinks my health care plan is so bad, when he did the same thing in Massachusetts..." -- most people will be like, "this old news again? Whatever - we're past that -- got anything new?"

[Tero]

Yes, it will just be two roosters showing off their feathers. You vote for whichever alpha mail you want. If you want to BE the alpha male then vote for the weaker one.

[eXcommunicate]

Exclusively ads, no. You are right. But, Obama has the media in general on his side. MSNBC is an unapologetic shill for Obama, and NPR is a skillful apologist which, even when they pretend to be critical, always wind up finding something positive to say. ABC, CBS and NBC, the biggies, are all pro-Obama.

Oh, alright.

It is not hard to paint the current "slow" recovery, such as it is, in a negative light. Frankly, it is a piss-poor recovery, as far as recoveries go. It's awful.

Indeed, after 30 years of Reaganomics we should definitely have more (which is what Romney is proposing).

And, they should jump on the uptick in gas prices, as they should jump on the fact that Obama was just lobbying to kill the Keystone pipeline, etc.

The Keystone pipeline will actually raise gasoline prices where I live.

I think Obama leaning on positive advertising is a bit of hopeful, wishful thinking. He didn't do it when bashing the crap out of McCain, and he will, I'm sure, bash the hell out of Romney.

I'm saying Obama will lean more on the positive than Romney will.

I think it will be a bloody campaign. One advantage Romney has is that, presumably, we've seen the dirty laundry already. When Obama tries to say "I find it odd that now Romney thinks my health care plan is so bad, when he did the same thing in Massachusetts..." -- most people will be like, "this old news again? Whatever - we're past that -- got anything new?"

The same could be said for Obama. The screaming wingnut blogs have been crawling all over Obama for the past 4 years looking for anything to pin on him. If Obama had once picked his nose and eaten his own booger, we know about it.

And one of the biggest right-wing complaints about Obama--Obamacare--is basically now off the table. No matter what Romney says on the subject, anyone with half a brain knows it's bullshit.

[Coito ergo sum]

Exclusively ads, no. You are right. But, Obama has the media in general on his side. MSNBC is an unapologetic shill for Obama, and NPR is a skillful apologist which, even when they pretend to be critical, always wind up finding something positive to say. ABC, CBS and NBC, the biggies, are all pro-Obama.

Oh, alright.

Clearly.

It is not hard to paint the current "slow" recovery, such as it is, in a negative light. Frankly, it is a piss-poor recovery, as far as recoveries go. It's awful.

Indeed, after 30 years of Reaganomics we should definitely have more (which is what Romney is proposing).

We haven't had 30 years of Reaganomics. Bush the Elder didn't follow Reaganomics and neither did Bush the Younger. You tell me if it prevailed under Clinton.

And, they should jump on the uptick in gas prices, as they should jump on the fact that Obama was just lobbying to kill the Keystone pipeline, etc.

The Keystone pipeline will actually raise gasoline prices where I live.

You'll have to explain how more supply will raise prices. I'm not following you.

I think Obama leaning on positive advertising is a bit of hopeful, wishful thinking. He didn't do it when bashing the crap out of McCain, and he will, I'm sure, bash the hell out of Romney.

I'm saying Obama will lean more on the positive than Romney will.

I haven't seen it. Obama is, however, at bottom a pragmatist. He'll do whatever he needs to do to win. If he's ahead, he'll take the high road and play the elder statesman that doesn't need to bother with all these folks slogging it out in the gutter. If Romney pulls even, Obama's fangs will come out. That's not a specific allegation against Obama exclusively -- it's just what politicians do.

I think it will be a bloody campaign. One advantage Romney has is that, presumably, we've seen the dirty laundry already. When Obama tries to say "I find it odd that now Romney thinks my health care plan is so bad, when he did the same thing in Massachusetts..." -- most people will be like, "this old news again? Whatever - we're past that -- got anything new?"

The same could be said for Obama. The screaming wingnut blogs have been crawling all over Obama for the past 4 years looking for anything to pin on him. If Obama had once picked his nose and eaten his own booger, we know about it.

Obama won't lose on dirt. He's so squeaky clean "dirt" wise that I find it hard to believe. I think he may be a robot. It's always bothered me that not a single relationship issue has come up with him. Young - good looking - well-spoken - Ivy Leaguer type guy - intelligent - the works - have you ever heard of another woman besides Michelle Obama that he ever even went out with? I mean, you'd think there would be one that would come out and say "He was a great guy!" - anything. It's eerie. There isn't anything.

Now, where Obama stands to lose is on the economy. Most people I encounter do not share your apparent view that things are going fine and we're on an upswing and that what Obama has done were good things. We'll see, though, as we get closer to the election.

I do know that his personal favorability ratings have stayed high. So, it's like - people think the economy sucks - but they're aren't blaming him personally yet.

[eXcommunicate]

And, they should jump on the uptick in gas prices, as they should jump on the fact that Obama was just lobbying to kill the Keystone pipeline, etc.

The Keystone pipeline will actually raise gasoline prices where I live.

You'll have to explain how more supply will raise prices. I'm not following you.

The Keystone pipeline will actually reduce supply in the Midwest as oil is shipped down to Louisiana to be sold on the world market.

I think Obama leaning on positive advertising is a bit of hopeful, wishful thinking. He didn't do it when bashing the crap out of McCain, and he will, I'm sure, bash the hell out of Romney.

I'm saying Obama will lean more on the positive than Romney will.

I haven't seen it. Obama is, however, at bottom a pragmatist. He'll do whatever he needs to do to win. If he's ahead, he'll take the high road and play the elder statesman that doesn't need to bother with all these folks slogging it out in the gutter. If Romney pulls even, Obama's fangs will come out. That's not a specific allegation against Obama exclusively -- it's just what politicians do.

That is true, but Romney is also a pragmatist. He (or rather his PAC and SuperPAC allies) has to come out negative no matter what. He's behind in the polls.

Here's the kind of bs we'll be seeing from the Right this coming election:

http://factcheck.org/2012/02/obama-whit ... xecutives/

I just saw this ad attacking Obama twice already just today before a couple of YouTube videos, of all places. An ad with verifiable lies and distortions. This is going to be a bumpy ride.

I think it will be a bloody campaign. One advantage Romney has is that, presumably, we've seen the dirty laundry already. When Obama tries to say "I find it odd that now Romney thinks my health care plan is so bad, when he did the same thing in Massachusetts..." -- most people will be like, "this old news again? Whatever - we're past that -- got anything new?"

The same could be said for Obama. The screaming wingnut blogs have been crawling all over Obama for the past 4 years looking for anything to pin on him. If Obama had once picked his nose and eaten his own booger, we know about it.

Obama won't lose on dirt. He's so squeaky clean "dirt" wise that I find it hard to believe. I think he may be a robot. It's always bothered me that not a single relationship issue has come up with him. Young - good looking - well-spoken - Ivy Leaguer type guy - intelligent - the works - have you ever heard of another woman besides Michelle Obama that he ever even went out with? I mean, you'd think there would be one that would come out and say "He was a great guy!" - anything. It's eerie. There isn't anything.

Now, where Obama stands to lose is on the economy. Most people I encounter do not share your apparent view that things are going fine and we're on an upswing and that what Obama has done were good things. We'll see, though, as we get closer to the election.

I do know that his personal favorability ratings have stayed high. So, it's like - people think the economy sucks - but they're aren't blaming him personally yet.

The president doesn't pull the purse strings or make law, so I don't know how Obama can be blamed for a slow recovery. The useless piece of shit Congress has fought him, tooth and nail, every inch of the way. Just about all economic measures have been put on hold since the Republican 2010 election victory. And the Obama Administration still has appointments being blocked by Congress or by one shithead committee member or another. Jesus Christ.

[Coito ergo sum]

And, they should jump on the uptick in gas prices, as they should jump on the fact that Obama was just lobbying to kill the Keystone pipeline, etc.

The Keystone pipeline will actually raise gasoline prices where I live.

You'll have to explain how more supply will raise prices. I'm not following you.

The Keystone pipeline will actually reduce supply in the Midwest as oil is shipped down to Louisiana to be sold on the world market.

Gasoline prices aren't set like that. The keystone pipeline pipes oil, not gasoline. The oil has to be refined. So, it's not pumping gasoline away from the midwest. It's not reducing supply there.

Adding oil to the world market puts downward pressure on prices, worldwide. The oil has to be refined and then distributed. And the price at the pump is based on supply and demand for the gasoline in a given area.

Here's the kind of bs we'll be seeing from the Right this coming election:

http://factcheck.org/2012/02/obama-whit ... xecutives/

I just saw this ad attacking Obama twice already just today before a couple of YouTube videos, of all places. An ad with verifiable lies and distortions. This is going to be a bumpy ride.

I hadn't seen that ad. I'll take a look. Both sides pull that crap, though. Most people who have picked a camp will be convinced that the other side is much worse about it.

The president doesn't pull the purse strings or make law, so I don't know how Obama can be blamed for a slow recovery. The useless piece of shit Congress has fought him, tooth and nail, every inch of the way. Just about all economic measures have been put on hold since the Republican 2010 election victory. And the Obama Administration still has appointments being blocked by Congress or by one shithead committee member or another. Jesus Christ.[/quote]

He did when Bush was President, according to just about every Obama supporter.

As for the Congress - when you have a President who is Democratic, and a House that is Democratic, and a Senate that is Democratic, and an evenly split Supreme Court, you can't hardly ask for more power and more ability to get things done. They had that for about 2 years. If his own Congress fought him tooth and nail, then maybe even THEY didn't like what he was selling.

What economic measures have been put on hold?

You're worried now about appointments being blocked? Happened to Bush, too.

[Warren Dew]

The Keystone pipeline will actually reduce supply in the Midwest as oil is shipped down to Louisiana to be sold on the world market.

It's either the Keystone pipeline or a pipeline to Vancouver. China is happy to finance the latter.

The president doesn't pull the purse strings or make law, so I don't know how Obama can be blamed for a slow recovery. The useless piece of shit Congress has fought him, tooth and nail, every inch of the way. Just about all economic measures have been put on hold since the Republican 2010 election victory. And the Obama Administration still has appointments being blocked by Congress or by one shithead committee member or another. Jesus Christ.

We didn't have a recovery at all for the first two years when the Democrats had control of Congress and did everything Obama wanted. Instead of thinking about trying to go for a recovery, he passed economy killing measures like Obamacare.

The truth is, the only reason we even have this weak recovery is because the Republicans in the house are blocking the worst of Obama's policies. If Obama got everything he wanted, unemployment would be in the double digits and rising.

[Coito ergo sum]

And, things seem to be getting a little rockier for Obama: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

[Coito ergo sum]

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer. ... win/426896

Obama camp: If election were today, Mitt would win

[Tyrannical]

Mittens will have a harder time in the primaries than the general election. I honestly don't know how strong the anti-Mormon sentiment is, but they'll vote for Mittens over a Muslim.
He doesn't seem to have any real skeletons in his closet except for being a rich businessman, and Obama has plenty of rich, rich friends that have benefited a bit at the taxpayer's expense. Mitt isn't an extreme rightwinger as far as governance goes, being a former Governor of Massachusetts is proof enough of that So I could see independents disillusioned with Obama voting Republican this time.

[Ian]

Mittens will have a harder time in the primaries than the general election. I honestly don't know how strong the anti-Mormon sentiment is, but they'll vote for Mittens over a Muslim.

I call Poe as well. The only people who're still convinced that Obama is a muslim are the ones who'll be voting for the Republican anyway. If they're not too busy screwing their livestock or watching wrestling on TV, that is.