US Philadelphia Student Carrying Legal Firearm Shoots It Out

[Coito ergo sum]

Ah there is a clue in the file name Swiss.jpg

Switzerland actually have pretty strict gun laws compared to any state, carrying a loaded weapon outside firing range is illegal.

LOL -- everyone in Switzerland owns and carries guns. Every home has guns. They're all a bunch of loonies, psychopaths and paranoids. You know what? They do so for "defense." LOL. Not even hunting....

In fact carrying any weapon openly in many cases can be illegal. Work in a Swiss city (which I have done) and you are about as likely to see a handgun on a civilian as you are in London.

....or the US, for that matter...

There gun laws are lax compared to the rest of Europe but any American gun nut would freak living with their restrictions

I'm guessing they are actually military

I don't think so. They allow you to have fully auto weapons if you're in the military. If you're not in the military, it has to be at most semiautomatic. You can have them in the house, and you can hunt and shoot target shooting, and use them for personal and home defense. What "restrictions" would freak people out?

[Svartalf]

Ah there is a clue in the file name Swiss.jpg

Switzerland actually have pretty strict gun laws compared to any state, carrying a loaded weapon outside firing range is illegal. In fact carrying any weapon openly in many cases can be illegal. Work in a Swiss city (which I have done) and you are about as likely to see a handgun on a civilian as you are in London. There gun laws are lax compared to the rest of Europe but any American gun nut would freak living with their restrictions

I'm guessing they are actually military

probably commuting from home to range. I don't know if they are under uniform while on militia period.

[Wumbologist]

I don't think so. They allow you to have fully auto weapons if you're in the military. If you're not in the military, it has to be at most semiautomatic. You can have them in the house, and you can hunt and shoot target shooting, and use them for personal and home defense. What "restrictions" would freak people out?

From what I understand, concealed carry laws vary from canton to canton. Some restrict it, others allow.

[Gallstones]

I don't think he claimed it didn't go on. What I got was that it wasn't prevalent, and wasn't the right way to do it, and that those who did it that way were exceptions, not the rule.

Actually, Laklak was VERY economical with the truth.

I'm not a bear hunter, but I've never seen them hunted like that. Matter of fact it's illegal to bait in any state I know of. Bear hunting usually is a group effort, several individuals or groups with dogs and radios. It isn't easy.

Not quite matching reality is it? Now he admits it's legal in 11 states, but doesn't mention that that is 11 out of the 27 that allow bear hunting. That's almost half.
And it's generally ignored in the others anyway. There's not too much chance of getting caught, and you will only get a slap on the wrist at the worst. More usually, just a warning.
This is how people "hunt". It's a fact. Master baiters, all of em.

Fucking lies.
Hunters spend more money on environmental projects to create and maintain habitat for wildlife than the average urban dweller. They not only spend the money they invest their own blood, sweat and tears to do the work. They hold poachers and cheaters with contempt and will turn them in.
And poachers are prosecuted; jail, fines and loss of hunting and fishing privileges.

[Wumbologist]

Fucking lies.
Hunters spend more money on environmental projects to create and maintain habitat for wildlife than the average urban dweller. They not only spend the money they invest their own blood, sweat and tears to do the work. They hold poachers and cheaters with contempt and will turn them in.
And poachers are prosecuted; jail, fines and loss of hunting and fishing privileges.

Mistermack probably knows a lot more about hunting than you and laklak. He's read about it on the internet, after all.

[Gallstones]

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I don’t expect (or want) a car ban. All I point out is that a gun ban perforce demands a plethora of more restrictive bans, otherwise it’s just an anti-X lobby forcing their phobia onto others.

I'm afraid that's just NRA-style propaganda. To be exceedingly wary of lethal weapons is hardly a phobia.

I've known people who wouldn't knowingly step into a house with guns, not necessarily because of the gun owners, but literally because they're afraid the guns might somehow go off by themselves and they'd be in the line of fire and die. That's not a rational fear.

Who says that it's this (extreme) fear that is driving the anti-gun lobby in the first place?

And I could just as easily argue that an irrational fear of criminals and the state* is behind the pro-gun lobby.

*Yes, the state. Hello, 2nd amendment.

I am pro-Right, the right to bear arms assured me by the Bill of Rights.
I do not want guns because I fear the State or fear criminals. I just like them, they are fun.

[Coito ergo sum]

What Europeans do is take about 4 or 5 of the western European countries that have the lowest homicide rates and compare them to the entirety of the US, and say "see! Gotcha!" However, if we're only taking a few tiny countries in Europe, then we ought to limit the comparison to a few of our lower crime states, like Vermont and the like, which are comparable to the safest European countries.

Vermont also has particularly liberalized gun laws. About the only thing banned on a state level that isn't federally is suppressors. Concealed carry doesn't require a permit, I think they allow permitless open carry as well. And they have a pretty high rate of gun ownership. Neighboring New Hampshire has the lowest homicide rate in the country, and is very similar.

My point exactly. I've looked up the stats comparing Europe to the US and homicide rates are nearly identical.

In North America, by the way, Mexico has far and away more homicides and more homicides in which guns are used, per capita, than the US -- far more -- it's a fucking shooting gallery down there. Yet, the US is held up as the crazy nation? Why is that?

[Gallstones]

Fucking lies.
Hunters spend more money on environmental projects to create and maintain habitat for wildlife than the average urban dweller. They not only spend the money they invest their own blood, sweat and tears to do the work. They hold poachers and cheaters with contempt and will turn them in.
And poachers are prosecuted; jail, fines and loss of hunting and fishing privileges.

Mistermack probably knows a lot more about hunting than you and laklak. He's read about it on the internet, after all.

Your probably right.
I suffer from delusions of 1-800-TIPMont, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, Trout Unlimited, wildlife reclamation areas in my backyard......I got it bad.

[Coito ergo sum]

Ah there is a clue in the file name Swiss.jpg

Switzerland actually have pretty strict gun laws compared to any state, carrying a loaded weapon outside firing range is illegal. In fact carrying any weapon openly in many cases can be illegal. Work in a Swiss city (which I have done) and you are about as likely to see a handgun on a civilian as you are in London. There gun laws are lax compared to the rest of Europe but any American gun nut would freak living with their restrictions

I'm guessing they are actually military

probably commuting from home to range. I don't know if they are under uniform while on militia period.

Even those who are not in the military can own guns, and most do. Most of the country owns guns - the vast majority of the houses in Switzerland has either full auto, or a semiauto, in the house - and many have multiple weapons - they are loaded for bear over there. And, we have people posting here that would not enter a Swiss house because there is a gun in there.

[Wumbologist]

Even those who are not in the military can own guns, and most do. Most of the country owns guns - the vast majority of the houses in Switzerland has either full auto, or a semiauto, in the house - and many have multiple weapons - they are loaded for bear over there. And, we have people posting here that would not enter a Swiss house because there is a gun in there.

But in some parts of Switzerland you can't carry those guns, which makes them magically impossible to take out of the house (it's illegal, after all!) and use to kill people. THAT's how come they don't kill as much.

[MrJonno]

People take pleasure in eating animals I would be very wary of anyone who took pleasure in killing them. Anyone who said they enjoyed slaughtering cows would be very suspect.

[Svartalf]

There is no Swiss citizen who is "not in the military".
They all have to serve regular periods of militia duty, and to own and keep at home the whole military paraphernalia, including rifle, sidearm and ammo.
A Swiss who DOESN'T have some form of weaponry in his home is a religious fundy, deprived of his citizenship rights (possibly for violent crime or previous bouts of insanity), or elderly and got rid of it once his obligations were served.

[Gallstones]

I'm talking about rational thinkers, not potential secret psychopaths. I'd say we're not on the same page here, but I'm beginning to wonder if you're even reading the same book.

I don't think we are.
If someone said to me that they didn't want to visit, because of the guns in the house, I think I would know what they meant, even if they said it wasn't ME that they were worried about.

If you actually believe it's an irrational fear of guns going off on their own, then you will clearly believe anything.

Which doesn't suggest you have any great mind-reading skills.

Ok, so it is not due to an irrational fear of guns going off by themselves.
What is it a fear of then?

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm talking about rational thinkers, not potential secret psychopaths. I'd say we're not on the same page here, but I'm beginning to wonder if you're even reading the same book.

I don't think we are.
If someone said to me that they didn't want to visit, because of the guns in the house, I think I would know what they meant, even if they said it wasn't ME that they were worried about.

If you actually believe it's an irrational fear of guns going off on their own, then you will clearly believe anything.

Which doesn't suggest you have any great mind-reading skills.

Ok, so it is not due to an irrational fear of guns going off by themselves.
What is it a fear of then?

I think he's saying that the fear of guns going off by themselves is not irrational....

[Svartalf]

People take pleasure in eating animals I would be very wary of anyone who took pleasure in killing them. Anyone who said they enjoyed slaughtering cows would be very suspect.

Shooting a deer would not bother me at all... it's all the hiking in the woods, and cutting it up and transporting the carcass back to the truck that bother me.

Then again, I probably would enjoy shooting bottles and cans just as much.