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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:30 pm

Consider the circumstances. Lira was in a prison in an Eastern European country which is at war. All its resources and services (particularly medical resources) are stretched to breaking and beyond. I think anybody would agree that an Eastern European prison isn't the healthiest sort of place to begin with. Imagine where prisons fall in regard to priority when it comes to medical care with daily casualties not only from the military but often civilians as well.

From the article I linked above:
Lira was detained in Kharkiv in May 2023 after being accused of supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine. A few months later, Lira fell ill with double bronchopneumonia and passed away soon. Lira's father alleged that Kyiv neglected and tried to hide the fact of the journalist's illness from his family and lawyers. In January 2024, the US State Department confirmed the veracity of the information about Lira's death in custody in Ukraine.
His father claimed 'neglect' and that seems plausible, even likely. The Russians, being the aggressor in a war of conquest, spin it that their enemies are guilty of murder. That spin is understandable but it requires a particular sort of motivated gullibility to buy what they're selling.

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:36 pm

I see 'whorenalist' is his latest tourettes tic.
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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:51 pm

He's a comedian, shouldn't we expect him to be up-to-date on journalists who died in the country he is leading?

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Mar 05, 2025 5:53 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:36 pm
I see 'whorenalist' is his latest tourettes tic.
I think it's an attempt to resolve cognitive dissonance. Our northerly member claims free speech as a principle that's of prime importance. Journalism is one of the most significant domains for free speech. Yet authoritarians cannot abide troublesome fourth estate gadflies ('Enemies of the People').

In an attempt to reconcile the these contradictory positions it's helpful to denigrate journalists. If a particular group is viewed as unworthy of free speech (horrible, nasty whores!) then it's all good, or something.

Take for instance the Associated Press. They exercised their right of free speech by continuing to use the name that a particular body of water has been known by for centuries (Gulf of Mexico). Trump has banned them from the White House because of that. Seems a pretty clear violation of the principle of free speech, but they're 'irresponsible and dishonest' journalists so it's not a problem.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:07 am

Aye. As a tactic it's just an old-fashioned misogynist smear that attempts to introduce a negative characterisation of a person or group into a discussion in order to discredit them and what they do.

One question to ask is why does someone need to discredit journalists or their reporting? Another is why should others need to be convinced that journalists are responsible for the 'bad news' they are reporting, despite them having no direct responsibility for either the bad news itself or its consequences?

In answer to the first question, journalists discredit themselves when they make stuff up, or fail to verify what they're reporting, or when they simply reproduce stuff other people have made up and present it as true. But that's not what seems to be going on here. While 'whorenalist' is a misogynistic characterisation of the person rather than their reporting, if a journalists is to be considered as having compromised certain standards or principles for personal gain then what are the standards or principles they have compromised? Here we get nothing on that and 'whorenalist' is assumed to be self-explanatory: journalists are compromised and discredited because they are whores. And if they are automatically morally/ethically compromised as individuals then of course any 'bad news' they report can be automatically discredited t'boot - which addresses the second question.

Finally we should probably note that there seems to be no shortage of people who are willing to whore for free these days - and no shortage of venues from which they can ply their trade with both enthusiasm and alacrity.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Mar 06, 2025 12:27 am

Agreed, the inherent misogyny in that clumsy slur is notable. Of course it's a feature not a bug--misogyny is a prominent element of the fascist-curious and outright fascist movements we see around the world. If somebody is steeping in that milieu it's pretty much inevitable that misogyny will tend to surface as a part of the rhetoric they use.

Your analysis of underlying concepts is apposite. However, I question whether much actual thought is behind 'whorenalist' other than a conditioned knee-jerk contempt for journalists and an attraction to glib put-downs.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 06, 2025 12:42 am

I'm not even sure Cunt thinks that much about it. He just parrots right wing buzz phrases in a tic-like fashion.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Mar 06, 2025 12:58 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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I'm not even sure Cunt thinks that much about it. He just parrots right wing buzz phrases in a tic-like fashion.
You could very well be right, but that doesn't mean there's no value in thinking about where it's coming from. Even if it arrived here via mimetic noisemaking.

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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Mar 06, 2025 1:00 am

Karoline Leavit..... Trump sure knows how to pick talented, smart, young future leaders of the US. The way she smacks down the biased media :swoon:
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Post by Cunt » Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:59 pm

You guys are right, I should have used 'presstitute'. Nothing like some sex-positive language to include such pro's as Gonzalo Lire, James O'Keefe and Everyone employed by the AP.

Who didn't have their free speech curtailed, by the way. Just their special status over all the lesser 'presstitutes'. No doubt they are upset.

Who was your favourite 'twitter files' presstitute? I liked Schellenberger more lately, Taiibi at first. Or did that story get missed in the blip?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:14 am

Tyrannical wrote:
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Karoline Leavit..... Trump sure knows how to pick talented, smart, young future leaders of the US. The way she smacks down the biased media :swoon:
On on the reporting they consider biased against them. If it's biased for them then it's probably ok, right?
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Post by Cunt » Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:30 pm

The creepiest thing about the last several months, is how much of the corporate/legacy media has begun the switch to work for the republicans/trump.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 07, 2025 8:20 pm

While it might be interesting that you've begun to notice the media outlets of billionaires supporting the candidates, parties, and even the presidents that they believe will affirm their beliefs, confirm their assumptions, and protect their interests, one wonders what you thought was going on before you had this astounding revelation?
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Post by Cunt » Sat Mar 08, 2025 2:07 pm

Same thing, different billionaires.

I remember Soros, Schwab, Zuckerberg and Gates funding Dems directly and indirectly.

Fucking GATES lol. Squeaky, pasty and obviously doesn't have good enough cardio to give any authority to his opinions on health, but people still love to listen to him.

Soros got kicked out of some countries...was it for his political contributions? Or did he import cannabis or something?
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Post by Cunt » Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:30 pm

'Merica had a big fund for 'international development'. If it is, at some appears to be, a propaganda operation, could that have affected media bias worldwide?

Do you think anyone fell for whatever they were pushing?
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