The US Healthcare Mass Debate

[Tero]

Senate Democrats seek new allies in effort to scuttle Obamacare overhaul: Republican governors (Washigton Post)

Which brings us to: who pays for healthcare for the poor?

The supposedly free Medical insurance given to the poor is a very close to being a fake insurance and big corporations like Managed Care corporations La Care, Healthnet etc. are the only true beneficiaries.

Poor people have very limited choices when it comes to receiving care in America. For starters, they can’t choose where they want to receive care or who to receive care from.

You often have no choice or say in being enrolled automatically in a managed care. Once you’re in a managed care plan, if you get sick, you cannot just choose whatever doctor you like. For starters, most doctors won’t see you because the good ones don’t take Managed Care Medical.

Who Bears the Cost of the Uninsured? Nonprofit Hospitals.
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.ed ... -hospitals

[pErvinalia]

I don't know why you and certain others always have to make discussions personal.

And we don't know why you always have to be so damn dishonest.

[Tero]

"Sources from back alleys in every state confirmed that as soon as the U.S. House of Representatives passed the bill known as Trumpcare, their filth-strewn, sidestreet-based facilities began scrambling to add personnel and expand into nearby shuttered warehouses and vacant lots in order to meet the increased demand for services expected from low-income families, elderly Americans, individuals with pre-existing conditions, and others who will have decreased access to health coverage."

http://www.theonion.com/article/nations ... ervi-55928

[Forty Two]

Senate Democrats seek new allies in effort to scuttle Obamacare overhaul: Republican governors (Washigton Post)

Which brings us to: who pays for healthcare for the poor?

The supposedly free Medical insurance given to the poor is a very close to being a fake insurance and big corporations like Managed Care corporations La Care, Healthnet etc. are the only true beneficiaries.

Poor people have very limited choices when it comes to receiving care in America. For starters, they can’t choose where they want to receive care or who to receive care from.

You often have no choice or say in being enrolled automatically in a managed care. Once you’re in a managed care plan, if you get sick, you cannot just choose whatever doctor you like. For starters, most doctors won’t see you because the good ones don’t take Managed Care Medical.

Who Bears the Cost of the Uninsured? Nonprofit Hospitals.
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.ed ... -hospitals

If you look at my healthcare premiums, it's clear that I'm paying for them.

[Brian Peacock]

And yet the CBO said that ACA insurance costs rose in line with medical costs and insurers profits.

[pErvinalia]

The Clinton Budgetary Office?

[Forty Two]

And yet the CBO said that ACA insurance costs rose in line with medical costs and insurers profits.

So? That tells us nothing, since the ACA was also supposed to hold down medical costs. If medical costs and insurers' profits rose dramatically, then premiums rising "in line" with those increased costs is not a bonus.

The ACA was supposed to make the then unaffordable insurance more affordable - Obama promised the average family's premiums would be reduced by $2500 ,and that hasn't happened at all. And, now insurance, which was then unsustainably unaffordable has gone up faster than it was before. I live here, I know I've never had a period of time where insurance has gone up this quickly - every fucking year. It's remarkable. I get literally scared when it comes time for November insurance shopping.

Also, whatever you mean by "insurance costs" is unclear to me. I'm not 100% positive, but if that word is being used on purpose instead of "premiums" then I don't trust it. I don't know what source you're looking at.

[Tero]

The ACA or Trumpcare is not going to hold down any costs. only when you have the numbers of patients that say Medicare has can you sit down and negotiate rates. The rates will then trickle down to doctors and hospitals willing to take the poor customers. I think most people knew that, democrats certainly.

[Tero]

McConnell forcing a vote moderate GOP will not pass?

GOP leaders are set to unveil a new version of their health bill Thursday, but no major changes have been made to satisfy senators concerned about winding down Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion and aggressive Medicaid cuts over the next decade. So even as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell struggles to keep restive conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on board, lingering concerns from moderates like Murkowski could signal the bill’s demise.

[Tero]

Without repeal, Obamacare may survive. Mandate to buy insurance is gone.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/1 ... are-240487

[Tero]

I think this is it. Nothing much more is coming. Subsidies or tax cuts to fund but this BILL will not buy 20 million the insurance. The insurance companies willbe able to pick and choose
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 475058001/

[Feck]

Twating around the edges will not change anything . The money spent on the Health-CARE of a nation should not be sold, insured, re-insured, re-sold, subject to market forces, traded on, short stocked etc Huge profits are being made on the backs of sick people and, ultimately, to the cost of the whole nation .
Unless the USA really wants to live in some horrific distopian future with hermetically sealed cities for the rich and the plagued masses raging outside it needs a universal health -CARE system .

[Brian Peacock]

Shut up you liberal fag, and git digging them potatoes.

[Feck]

The seed potatoe industry has moved to eastern Europe from Scotland, within a generation nobody here will be able to spot TMV on VTS2 Russet burbanks .......

[Brian Peacock]

Scottish potatoes...