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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:17 am

On Dutch tv news last night was an interview with the new American ambassador to the EU. He said that Trump does not like blocks of countries such as the EU, UN and NATO. He wants to destroy them. The Euro will disappear within 18 months. He only wants bilateral trade agreements. He wants to make an agreement with Britain now and does not care about the international law.

Trump is pure mad. He is unhinged and should be locked up for the world's safety.
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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by cronus » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:24 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:On Dutch tv news last night was an interview with the new American ambassador to the EU. He said that Trump does not like blocks of countries such as the EU, UN and NATO. He wants to destroy them. The Euro will disappear within 18 months. He only wants bilateral trade agreements. He wants to make an agreement with Britain now and does not care about the international law.

Trump is pure mad. He is unhinged and should be locked up for the world's safety.
He needs the CIA off his back. Dismantling Europe is gonna give them something to do. Expect asymmetric activity in Europe over the next year or so before the collapse..... :coffee:



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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Tero » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:00 pm

Trump will make Mexico pay by...er...something

The president on Wednesday signed an executive order that directs federal agencies to begin constructing a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, his central campaign promise.

In the wake of the executive order, reports surfaced that Peña Nieto may scrap his planned Jan. 31 meeting with the president.

The Associated Press confirmed with a Mexican official that the Mexican president is "considering" canceling the meeting.

Trump during his presidential campaign and since his victory has repeatedly vowed that Mexico would pay for the wall.

In an interview Wednesday on ABC News, the president said that U.S. funds are necessary for beginning the construction of the wall.
“I’m just telling you there will be a payment,” he said. "As soon as we can. As soon as we can physically do it.”

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Mexico is currently our 3rd largest goods trading partner with $531 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2015. Goods exports totaled $236 billion; goods imports totaled $295 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico was $58 billion in 2015.

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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Jason » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:10 pm

Well you can't say he hasn't been keeping his campaign promises.

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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:28 pm

he's causing the country all manners of trouble barely a week into office (and was already doing that even before stepping in the oval office), but yeah, you can't accuse him of not keeping his campaign promises,

I'm waiting for some indictment against the clintons, since he did promist to put her in prison.
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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Tero » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:47 pm

Congress not asked about wall:
In the interim, however, the U.S. still has to find some way to pay for the wall upfront. Members of Congress in both parties have expressed reservations about shelling out billions of dollars for a wall. Congress could raise taxes to pay for it, but that’s deeply unpopular with members, and often with voters. Congress could cut funding from other programs, but taking money away from other programs has a way of eliciting public ire. Or they could simply run up the deficit, which Republicans tend to view as unacceptable during Democratic administrations and more or less fine during Republican ones. So far, the Trump administration has had good luck bending the GOP-led Congress to its will.

For now, all of these questions are just as speculative as they were Wednesday morning. Trump has reaffirmed his intention to build a wall, but in most respects his signature policy remains as vague, and perhaps even vaguer, than it was during the presidential campaign—despite his affixing his signature.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... er/514391/

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PHILADELPHIA — Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will authorize $12 to $15 billion for a wall spanning the entire U.S.-Mexico border as soon as Sept. 30, the Republican leaders said Thursday.

They would not say whether they would offset the costs of the wall — which President Trump repeatedly vowed would be paid for by Mexico — with budget cuts elsewhere or taxes. The comments came midway through the Republicans’ annual retreat, this year called “Congress of Tomorrow,” during which lawmakers are plotting their first 200 days of repealing and replacing Obamacare and reforming the tax code.
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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:49 pm

Put up a Kickstarter project and ask for the money there.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:49 pm

Or blame terrorism.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:50 pm

The war on drugs.

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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:51 pm

Build, The, Dome!

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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:57 pm

Śiva wrote:Well you can't say he hasn't been keeping his campaign promises.
Signing bits of paper is not keeping promises.
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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Svartalf » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:00 pm

that's all a prez actually does, sign papers and give orders... that's as much as they can do. You expect him to oversee the wall building site personally maybe?
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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:02 pm

Svartalf wrote:that's all a prez actually does, sign papers and give orders... that's as much as they can do. You expect him to oversee the wall building site personally maybe?
Financing these crazy ideas?
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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:04 pm

Tero wrote:Congress not asked about wall:
In the interim, however, the U.S. still has to find some way to pay for the wall upfront. Members of Congress in both parties have expressed reservations about shelling out billions of dollars for a wall. Congress could raise taxes to pay for it, but that’s deeply unpopular with members, and often with voters. Congress could cut funding from other programs, but taking money away from other programs has a way of eliciting public ire. Or they could simply run up the deficit, which Republicans tend to view as unacceptable during Democratic administrations and more or less fine during Republican ones. So far, the Trump administration has had good luck bending the GOP-led Congress to its will.

For now, all of these questions are just as speculative as they were Wednesday morning. Trump has reaffirmed his intention to build a wall, but in most respects his signature policy remains as vague, and perhaps even vaguer, than it was during the presidential campaign—despite his affixing his signature.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... er/514391/

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PHILADELPHIA — Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will authorize $12 to $15 billion for a wall spanning the entire U.S.-Mexico border as soon as Sept. 30, the Republican leaders said Thursday.

They would not say whether they would offset the costs of the wall — which President Trump repeatedly vowed would be paid for by Mexico — with budget cuts elsewhere or taxes. The comments came midway through the Republicans’ annual retreat, this year called “Congress of Tomorrow,” during which lawmakers are plotting their first 200 days of repealing and replacing Obamacare and reforming the tax code.
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It's hard to take this kind of talk seriously. I mean, where do they get the money for anything? It's the same questions for everything they do. So, what's the real objection then?

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Re: The suzerain Trump

Post by Svartalf » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:10 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Svartalf wrote:that's all a prez actually does, sign papers and give orders... that's as much as they can do. You expect him to oversee the wall building site personally maybe?
Financing these crazy ideas?
that's the job of Congress.
Now nobody ever said Congress has to play ball and be the prez' yes man...
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