Charlie Hebdo: Gun attack on French magazine kills 12

[rachelbean]

We all lose.

[Seth]

In your dreams Seth, in your dreams: Firstly, the latest sniper rifles are self-aiming (look it up), so they don't need your supreme expertise.

No, they aren't. They are self-releasing. Big difference. the system allows the shooter to "designate" the target much like a fighter designates a target by "pickling" when the target is in the box. Then the system tracks movement of the designated target using fairly routine video motion analysis functions and if and when the crosshairs, which automatically adjust hold-over and lead for laser-determined range, coincide with the designated target spot, the firearm will fire, if the operator has pressed the trigger. However, at the moment projectiles for sniper rifles can't change direction in flight. I note that there are such projectiles being developed, but that adds a whole 'nother layer of technological complexity to what is actually a very non-technological skill.

This is very convenient and substantially improves accuracy by compensating for imperceptible barrel movements and target motion, but it still requires a skilled shooter to operate effectively. What the system cannot do is predict wind drift. It relies on the operator to read the wind both at the muzzle, in flight, and at the target and input the appropriate corrections, whereupon the system applies that correction to the solution. Reading wind is the most difficult part of long range shooting and it takes a lot of training to be able to consistently dope the wind, which is not done using an electronic sighting system, it's done with a good old-fashioned bolt-action rifle with a good old-fashioned scope in the same good old-fashioned method of sniper training in use since the Revolutionary War: Practice, practice, practice.

If you can't dope the wind, and if you can't hold the rifle steady, and if you can't identify the target properly, and if you can't exercise the field-craft necessary to sneak into range of the target, an electronic system won't help you be a "sniper."

The Tracking Point system is very nice, and is now available for non-dedicated rifles from Remington as the Remington 2020 digital riflescope.

I examined the original Tracking Point system at the SHOT show three years ago and spoke extensively with the developers.

So quit trying to teach grandpa to suck eggs. I know more about this subject that you do. Get used to it.

Secondly, infantry robots are already in prototype stage. They have much better shooting accuracy than the best marksman. They're cheaper, & they make you DISPOSABLE.

Maybe so. But they aren't effective yet, and they aren't effective at long range for the reasons mentioned above. Doping wind is a hard-earned skill that requires interpretation of very subtle cues about the wind components enroute to the target. Someday robots might be able to do this, but not in my lifetime. And once I'm dead, it's not my problem anymore.

So get your speech ready as they herd you into the FEMA camp... never know, you might persuade the robot or mindless apparatchik who boots you through the gate. But really, why are you so afraid of death that you must join a criminal organization?

The definition of "criminal organization" can be rather flexible when it comes to insurrection and revolution, can't it?

Oh, and you can't be "herded" if you refuse to be herded.

[Seth]

BTW, an excellent 2 part video about this Paris farce. See them before they're removed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zriVAbO040c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMM6QdV74bA

Dude is a forensic idiot. So are you. Blood from first shots is likely still inside the victims clothing, likely inside the ballistic vest the policeman is wearing. "Head shot" could have hit in the neck and the blood not yet visible below the victim's body, or the angle of the shot is such that any brain matter is below the head and thus not visible.. The whole thing takes less than 10 seconds, not enough time for blood to pool visibly.

Of course there's also the obligatory Alla'u'Akbar from the Standard Issue CIA phrase book that all their proxy terrorists are given.

Um, that's what Islamic radicals say all the time dude.

[Seth]

Seth vs Galaxian.... Gold!!

Pay good money for that

I'll set up a Pay Pal account you can contribute to. $50 a post.

[AvtomatKalashnikova]

It was definitely the Joos. Or the space lizards. In fact, I've never seen the two races in one room together...

Well, you're ahead of me there with your word "definitely". There's a strong possibility of Mossad involvement. As payback & a warning to France for supporting Palestinian membership of the UN. Also, by staging such a spectacle Israel once again stirs the pot about how dangerous their surrogate army, ISIS, is or can be.

As for the space lizards. The common lore is that the aliens at area 51 (& possibly elsewhere), are humanoid. Whether there really are aliens on Earth in an active capacity, I don't know. Even if they are here, it may be that they have a policy of non-interference...unlike the Amerikkkan hegemons. There certainly are aliens here anonymously, for various reasons that are too off-topic to raise on this thread.

BTW, an excellent 2 part video about this Paris farce. See them before they're removed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zriVAbO040c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMM6QdV74bA

Of course there's also the obligatory Alla'u'Akbar from the Standard Issue CIA phrase book that all their proxy terrorists are given.

BTW, you won't be in that forthcoming glitterati elite. You may not even be allowed to live. And if you do survive, it'll be in the gutters, scratching out a desperate existence, but no doubt still muttering about Islamic extremists, who happen to be funded & armed by Western Hegemons to be used, like Blackwater, as their proxy army.

My solution is to put in an employment application at Academi (the new name of Xe nee Blackwater) Was there for a carbine course last year. I have connections. There's a reason I train constantly in long-range shooting. It's a skill not many people have, which makes it highly marketable.

In your dreams Seth, in your dreams: Firstly, the latest sniper rifles are self-aiming (look it up), so they don't need your supreme expertise.
Secondly, infantry robots are already in prototype stage. They have much better shooting accuracy than the best marksman. They're cheaper, & they make you DISPOSABLE. So get your speech ready as they herd you into the FEMA camp... never know, you might persuade the robot or mindless apparatchik who boots you through the gate. But really, why are you so afraid of death that you must join a criminal organization?

You seem expert, is truth that American NASA never put foot on moon because of hidden lizard man base on dark side?

[klr]

Seth vs Galaxian.... Gold!!

Pay good money for that

Pay good money to get out here, more like it

[Galaxian]

In your dreams Seth, in your dreams: Firstly, the latest sniper rifles are self-aiming (look it up), so they don't need your supreme expertise.

No, they aren't. They are self-releasing. Big difference...

The common name for such rifles is "self-aiming", no matter what the method of operation: "self aiming" http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... K9QTSS3cz8

...it still requires a skilled shooter to operate effectively. What the system cannot do is predict wind drift. It relies on the operator to read the wind both at the muzzle, in flight, and at the target and input the appropriate corrections...

Wrong again. With "self-aiming" rifles it is the electronic system that assesses wind parameters, NOT the shooter. It uses the distortion effects of moving air on the laser beam. Go to 4' 30": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC8IFWC1P0

...it's done with a good old-fashioned bolt-action rifle with a good old-fashioned scope in the same good old-fashioned method of sniper training in use since the Revolutionary War: Practice, practice, practice.

Another epic fail. Next you'll say it's still done with flintlocks? Only few hour's training & practice needed

If you can't dope the wind, and if you can't hold the rifle steady, and if you can't identify the target properly, and if you can't exercise the field-craft necessary to sneak into range of the target, an electronic system won't help you be a "sniper."

Only wind doping you need is the smoke from a joint But it'll give your position away
You don't need to hold the rifle super steady...as long as you don't swing it all over the place.
You don't need to identify the target: they're ALL enemies. Infact the automated system is more reliable in that respect, since it can identify friend/foe tags.
You don't need field-craft. You're shooting humans in cities, not deer in the forest.

The Tracking Point system is very nice, and is now available for non-dedicated rifles from Remington as the Remington 2020 digital riflescope...

Old technology. Galaxian is way ahead of that...

So quit trying to teach grandpa to suck eggs.

Evidently, grandpa needs lots more practice. Keep on sucking bro'

...Someday robots might be able to do this, but not in my lifetime. And once I'm dead, it's not my problem anymore.

Don't say that Seth. We wish you a longer life than a mere 5 years.

So get your speech ready as they herd you into the FEMA camp... never know, you might persuade the robot or mindless apparatchik who boots you through the gate. But really, why are you so afraid of death that you must join a criminal organization?

The definition of "criminal organization" can be rather flexible when it comes to insurrection and revolution, can't it?
Oh, and you can't be "herded" if you refuse to be herded.

No. Any organization, from government down to street thugs, who murder & incite terror & bullying on ordinary people, is a criminal organization, and uncivilized. So the definition is NOT flexible.
You'll find that your best buddies will be herding you, by choice or by force. Take your pick.

[Clinton Huxley]

Suspects being chased along the A2, apparently.

[Svartalf]

Holed up in a printing shop/factory as of current information

[Thumpalumpacus]

I hope they're taken alive.

[Brian Peacock]

Live Updates on sieges.

Charlie Hebdo attack: new hostage situation at Paris shop

http://gu.com/p/44m45

[cronus]

The answer is gas. Don't need to descend to their level and be destructive. Nerve gas. One canister should be enough. Hopefully the French and the Germans will now find something they can agree here?

[klr]

Live Updates on sieges.

Charlie Hebdo attack: new hostage situation at Paris shop

http://gu.com/p/44m45

Of course it had to be a Kosher shop. Nothing to do with religion my arse.

Latest news: Hebdo suspects are both dead, and a hostage freed. Two people were killed in the shop siege, as well as the gunman.

[klr]

Now four hostages reported dead in the shop (supermarket) siege.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Pity more had to die running these assholes down.