Cuts to UK Science Research and Student Grants:

[pErvinalia]

Umm, the Socialists just got elected. Golden Dawn are fascists. Like your compatriots in the insane right in the US.

Yes, I know they did,

Then why did you say that "socialism always fails" in response to Hermit pointing out that Golden Dawn just failed?

[JimC]

Umm, the Socialists just got elected. Golden Dawn are fascists. Like your compatriots in the insane right in the US.

Yes, I know they did,

Then why did you say that "socialism always fails" in response to Hermit pointing out that Golden Dawn just failed?

I assumed Seth was predicting that the new socialist government would fail to achieve anything useful, as he would predict of any vaguely left of centre government....

[Seth]

Umm, the Socialists just got elected. Golden Dawn are fascists. Like your compatriots in the insane right in the US.

Yes, I know they did,

Then why did you say that "socialism always fails" in response to Hermit pointing out that Golden Dawn just failed?

Because socialism always fails of course. This has nothing to do with winning an election. All you have to do to win an election is persuade a majority of the useful idiots of society into voting for you by making false promises. The problem arises when the socialist government runs out of OPM trying to assuage the ire of the proletarian useful idiots who actually believed it was possible for you do do what you promised, which of course is complete economic and social nonsense.

[pErvinalia]

You're just a broken record. They've just elected socialists after having a right wing government wreck the country for the last 4 years or so, and you just revert to your usual recorded message. Can't you actually apply some thought sometimes??

[pErvinalia]

And this OPM bullshit, I've countered that in other threads recently and you've ignored it, presumably because it is an inconvenient fact. The concept of OPM relies on the fallacy that wealth is a zero sum game. You as well as I know that isn't true, so stop with this OPM rubbish.

[piscator]

Fuck that. OPM pays my company's entire payroll!1!

[Seth]

You're just a broken record.

Well, that's the thing about truth, it remains true no matter how many times it's repeated.

They've just elected socialists after having a right wing government wreck the country for the last 4 years or so,

The last 4 years or so? What a laugh. The "right wing" government came into power precisely because the previous several decades of socialist overspending bankrupted the country. The Olympics alone put Greece so far into debt that it's unlikely they will ever emerge from it.

and you just revert to your usual recorded message.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Can't you actually apply some thought sometimes??

I do, all the time. It's you who is unable to comprehend the fundamental economic failings of socialism.

[Seth]

Fuck that. OPM pays my company's entire payroll!1!

Of course it does, but your company doesn't have the power to simply take what they want from others to make payroll, it has to negotiate and provide value for value. Socialist governments operate on the basic economic principle that everybody is entitled to what everybody else has, even if they don't do a lick of work to earn it, so the government has to take from those who do work in order to give money to those who don't.

Big difference.

[pErvinalia]

Once again you don't address your fallacious use of the concept of OPM.

[Seth]

Once again you don't address your fallacious use of the concept of OPM.

What's fallacious about it, specifically?

[pErvinalia]

FFS. Can't you fucking read??!

[Seth]

FFS. Can't you fucking read??!

Yes, I can. Evidently you cannot write however.

[piscator]

Fuck that. OPM pays my company's entire payroll!1!

Of course it does, but your company doesn't have the power to simply take what they want from others to make payroll, it has to negotiate and provide value for value. Socialist governments operate on the basic economic principle that everybody is entitled to what everybody else has, even if they don't do a lick of work to earn it, so the government has to take from those who do work in order to give money to those who don't.

Big difference.

Rigid dichotomy strawman that exemplifies why you get so little traction with your differentials locked on "Barry Goldwater". The free market has already decided what kind of government it wants. You're trying to tell it it's mistaken.
Any questions why you're broke?

[pErvinalia]

FFS. Can't you fucking read??!

Yes, I can.

No, you can't. The answer to your question is on this very page.

[Seth]

Fuck that. OPM pays my company's entire payroll!1!

Of course it does, but your company doesn't have the power to simply take what they want from others to make payroll, it has to negotiate and provide value for value. Socialist governments operate on the basic economic principle that everybody is entitled to what everybody else has, even if they don't do a lick of work to earn it, so the government has to take from those who do work in order to give money to those who don't.

Big difference.

Rigid dichotomy strawman that exemplifies why you get so little traction with your differentials locked on "Barry Goldwater". The free market has already decided what kind of government it wants. You're trying to tell it it's mistaken.
Any questions why you're broke?

It's not a free market, and that's the point.