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Interestingly, the "police state" option brings them into conflict with their domestic libertarians...
Mind you, I think Seth in particular has some interesting internal conflict between his libertarian principles and his vision of "Amerika Uber Alles"...
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I should hope they did!Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Hey, did the British complain when their consuls were detained by the USN after leaving Cuba in 1897?
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JimC wrote:Well, I know that Genghis Khan is a suspect pinko to you and Seth...Collector1337 wrote:JimC wrote:And I am by no means virulently anti US or anti capitalist on principle - slightly left of centre, no more...Sean Hayden wrote:It's depressing to read things like that Jim.
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Actually, the feather flew.JimC wrote:I should hope they did!Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Hey, did the British complain when their consuls were detained by the USN after leaving Cuba in 1897?
But this is a case of a fugitive, and we do have mutual agreements with a lot of countries regarding fugitives.
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Stopping the plane of a neutral foreign leader for nothing more than suspicion is over the top, and you know it... And they were simply wrong - he wasn't on the plane...Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Actually, the feather flew.JimC wrote:I should hope they did!Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Hey, did the British complain when their consuls were detained by the USN after leaving Cuba in 1897?
But this is a case of a fugitive, and we do have mutual agreements with a lot of countries regarding fugitives.
These actions cannot be justified by the putative criminal acts of one individual. They are an arrogant expression of power which does much to diminish America in the eyes of those who once were allies.
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JimC wrote:^^^^^^^
Interestingly, the "police state" option brings them into conflict with their domestic libertarians...
Mind you, I think Seth in particular has some interesting internal conflict between his libertarian principles and his vision of "Amerika Uber Alles"...
Absolutely. More sane (or should that be less insane? 
) liberterians like Warren and Coit and probably Seabass and Lak don't have a problem with this. The interesting thing in times to come will be if society starts disintegrating like I think it will, how will the lefty libertarians and socialists and the right-libertarians get along? Common enemy (initially) and all that. Seth, Collector, Seabass, Lak, Sandy and I could all be fighting alongside each other...
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There's a claim in this link (via AP) - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... sylum-live - that France and Spain (and I think it said Portugal too), didn't actually deny travel over their airspace. But the link to the AP story goes somewhere else.
Morales also took off and left Vienna half an hour ago. You can even track his plane via - http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/fab-001. Not sure if that site picks up F-16's or drones, but if the plane suddenly drops off the radar, we know the "birds" are near...
Morales also took off and left Vienna half an hour ago. You can even track his plane via - http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/fab-001. Not sure if that site picks up F-16's or drones, but if the plane suddenly drops off the radar, we know the "birds" are near...
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Can anyone imagine the shit-storm that would have occurred if the situation was reversed? Air Force One refused entry to French airspace because the Bolivians suspected that it might have been transporting a wanted Bolivian dissident?
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There have been calls for the EU to refuse sitting at the commercial negociations with the US that are to take place soon, in retaliation for the bugging...
Odds are nobody will have the balls to do it, though.
Odds are nobody will have the balls to do it, though.
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FAB-001 enters French airspace! 
Anything hanky going on there, Svarty?
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You just think that's the right plane.rEvolutionist wrote:FAB-001 enters French airspace!
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Not that I know, there's nothing officially announced as to the original supposed refusal to let Morales cross our airspace, I guess we'll atone by being overnice now.rEvolutionist wrote:FAB-001 enters French airspace!
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No strange explosions over Southern France? 
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It's a pretty cool site. You can track all these planes!
edit: hmmm the screen grab didn't really work properly.
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