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I said home invasions are rare. They happen, just as meteorites fall from the sky from time to time. They get lots of publicity when they happen because they are rare. This means you can find anecdotes if you want to, and of course they happened. But they are still rare.
There is a difference between a home invasion and a burglary, even if the burglar enters an occupied home. The burglar will do his best to avoid that error, but of course it happens from time to time. The difference is that a home invasion involves people being held, while a burglary that happens in error when people are at home will involve the burglar avoiding contact with the residents. A burglar is simply after your property and does not want to even see you. A home invader will deliberately threaten the occupants. A totally different event.
Nor do hand guns alter that. We have no hand guns in NZ, and home invasions are very rare here. The fact that they are rare in the USA is for the same reason. The criminals involved prefer to avoid serious trouble, and the police take home invasions very seriously. In my country, pretty much every home invasion crime is solved, and the criminals involved locked up for a long period. They are caught because the police put in a big effort. Burglaries are common, but burglars will avoid people. Police do not try very hard to solve burglaries, and relatively few burglars are ever caught by the police, making burglary a much more attractive option than home invasion for criminals.
Guns Used.....cont
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For every human action, there is a rationalisation and a reason. Only sometimes do they coincide.
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http://www.digitalspy.com/odd/news/a440 ... opper.html
A queue of Black Friday shoppers scattered after a man in the line pulled out his gun.
The Sears store at South Park Mall in San Antonio, Texas opened at 8pm yesterday (November 22) when one shopper tried to push his way to the front.
According to San Antonio Express-News, he began arguing with people and soon punched someone in the face.
The man who was punched, in retaliation, drew his gun.
The crowd quickly dispersed, and the line-cutter fled the shop. Normal business resumed after ten minutes.
According to police, the man with the gun carries a licence for the weapon and thus will not be charged.
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Re: Guns Used.....cont
That man should have his all his firearms confiscated for a period of no less than 90 days, and receive a temporary restriction in being in possession of any firearm until he completes an intensive 4 week state regulated education course and/or pays a hefty fine.. say $2500.
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Why? Some shithead cut in line! Blast him!!
Oh. And punched him. If someone physically assaulted me, I wouldn't want to be afraid to defend myself with a gun. No telling how big that guy was.
Oh. And punched him. If someone physically assaulted me, I wouldn't want to be afraid to defend myself with a gun. No telling how big that guy was.
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Dude punched someone else in the face, not the guy with the gun. Besides, what's in a punch? I've known people to call a closed palm slap a punch. From the description all some hero had to do was step in and say chill out bud and get back to the end of the line, not recklessly brandish a gun in a crowd. What if he accidentally fired? What if he intentionally fired? How many innocents would have been injured. Morons like that need to be educated on when and where it's appropriate to haul iron.
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Sorry guys, we just can't have the guns. When we put plan B into effect, you are just going to be trouble. So we will need to isolate and contain all of you. Ammunition will be a strictly controlled item then.
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I'd rather take a risk like that and have one less rude fuck in the world. I'm not a gun nut though, I just hate rude bullying pushy fucks who cut in line and push people around. As far as I'm concerned, a large knife, jack handle, tire iron, or other garden tool would suffice.PordFrefect wrote:Dude punched someone else in the face, not the guy with the gun. Besides, what's in a punch? I've known people to call a closed palm slap a punch. From the description all some hero had to do was step in and say chill out bud and get back to the end of the line, not recklessly brandish a gun in a crowd. What if he accidentally fired? What if he intentionally fired? How many innocents would have been injured. Morons like that need to be educated on when and where it's appropriate to haul iron.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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This will crack a skull, or an arm.
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A can of pepper spray would have taken care of the punch happy asshole, and no one permanently hurt. He would then think twice before he tried that act again.
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And everyone in the vicinity would have gotten exposed to the spray, including children, asthmatics or anyone with COPD.Blind groper wrote:A can of pepper spray would have taken care of the punch happy asshole, and no one permanently hurt. He would then think twice before he tried that act again.
Pepper spray isn't the be-all-end-all of self defense tools.
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The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
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Gallstones.
You suggest a lethal club. I suggest a non lethal pepper spray, and you tell me that it is too harmful?????????????????????????????
You suggest a lethal club. I suggest a non lethal pepper spray, and you tell me that it is too harmful?????????????????????????????
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Uhm, yeah.
A "lethal" club can be targeted to the deserving party.
Pepper spray can not and will have collateral affect in a group. Collateral parties don't deserve to be affected by the spray, they've already been exposed to the asshole.
Have you ever been exposed to pepper spray--it makes for a miserable time that doesn't wear off very fast.
A "lethal" club can be targeted to the deserving party.
Pepper spray can not and will have collateral affect in a group. Collateral parties don't deserve to be affected by the spray, they've already been exposed to the asshole.
Have you ever been exposed to pepper spray--it makes for a miserable time that doesn't wear off very fast.
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The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
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I accept the point, but collateral effects should be minimal unless the sprayer is very careless.
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Not if you shove it up his nose!Gallstones wrote:And everyone in the vicinity would have gotten exposed to the spray, including children, asthmatics or anyone with COPD.Blind groper wrote:A can of pepper spray would have taken care of the punch happy asshole, and no one permanently hurt. He would then think twice before he tried that act again.
Pepper spray isn't the be-all-end-all of self defense tools.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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PordFrefect wrote:Dude punched someone else in the face, not the guy with the gun. Besides, what's in a punch? I've known people to call a closed palm slap a punch. From the description all some hero had to do was step in and say chill out bud and get back to the end of the line, not recklessly brandish a gun in a crowd. What if he accidentally fired? What if he intentionally fired? How many innocents would have been injured. Morons like that need to be educated on when and where it's appropriate to haul iron.
Robert_S wrote:http://www.digitalspy.com/odd/news/a440 ... opper.html
...The man who was punched, in retaliation, drew his gun.
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"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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