They are 'shutting' Pirate Bay. Good or Bad?

[Drewish]

"Art" as a value in and of itself is bullshit. Almost all of it is selling something, either a product, a service, or an idea. That which is trying to really say something meaningful is usually at a level that I lovingly refer to as "retard fodder." That which speaks to the eternal human condition has already been produced in such quantity that the need for endless iterations of the same tired formulaic approaches become pointlessly derivative. Perhaps only as pleasant distraction and entertainment does media still hold meaning, but even then the established hierarchy of media control does more to crank out trite rubbish than foster true artistry. The music, movie, and book industries could use a collapse. Fuck'm.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

One big point people have missed is the ridiculous delay between the release of films in different countries (simply for economic reasons) and the fact that there is NO legal outlet for certain TV shows from other countries at the time of release!

There have been films that were released in the US 6 MONTHS before they got a UK airing - what prize for guessing that the box-office takings were decimated by the fact that THE DELAY ALONE meant that half of the country had already seen it before it finally turned up at Showcase!

There have been US TV shows that waited over a year before anyone in the UK (EXCEPT for torrent users) knew they existed - Breaking Bad, The Wire, Entourage, ...

There are shows that died in the US due to lack of viewing numbers but which were loved by ("illegal") viewers throughout the world that only watched them via torrents because there was NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE!

We live in a global economy, with a global marketplace. Gone are the days where you could show a 5 year old TV show to a new market and they would never have heard of it! Teh timez, Tehy iz a chayngin!

[Thumpalumpacus]

"Art" as a value in and of itself is bullshit. Almost all of it is selling something, either a product, a service, or an idea. That which is trying to really say something meaningful is usually at a level that I lovingly refer to as "retard fodder." That which speaks to the eternal human condition has already been produced in such quantity that the need for endless iterations of the same tired formulaic approaches become pointlessly derivative. Perhaps only as pleasant distraction and entertainment does media still hold meaning, but even then the established hierarchy of media control does more to crank out trite rubbish than foster true artistry. The music, movie, and book industries could use a collapse. Fuck'm.

Who says art must speak to some abstract "human condition", whatever that is? Why cannot art simply be a reflection of a passing moment, bereft of any meaning at all beyond pleasurable sensations of one sort or another?

And what does this have to do with intellectual-property rights, anyway? Downloading affects independant producers as well as industry insiders.

[Drewish]

And what does this have to do with intellectual-property rights, anyway? Downloading affects independant producers as well as industry insiders.

Really? Good luck pirating an indie artist. Good luck pirating an old made for TV movie. Piracy deals mainly with the mainstream.

[Robert_S]

And what does this have to do with intellectual-property rights, anyway? Downloading affects independant producers as well as industry insiders.

Really? Good luck pirating an indie artist. Good luck pirating an old made for TV movie. Piracy deals mainly with the mainstream.

Actually, a few years ago I discovered Holly Golightly and the Brokeoffs browsing Usenet.

[Thinking Aloud]

And what does this have to do with intellectual-property rights, anyway? Downloading affects independant producers as well as industry insiders.

Really? Good luck pirating an indie artist. Good luck pirating an old made for TV movie. Piracy deals mainly with the mainstream.

A friend is in an obscure band that makes very esoteric retro music. They do it part-time, independently, and mostly for fun, by the sounds of it. A couple of years ago, they produced a CD, and I have a copy just to my right here.

A few months ago, he posted a comment on Facebook along the lines of "How curious. There are more copies of our CD available on eBay just now than we actually had made."

[matthewr88]

I think it is pointless them blocking the pirate bay site as the people using it won't suddenly start buying albums/dvds/go out to the movies. They have priced themselves out of the game. I once had a collect of albums numbering 300+, and a dvds collection at 500+... at a price of around £10 ($15-17) each, around £8k in total, you're had your moneys worth from me. When I sold my dvd collection I got back £400. So fuck you, who got ripped off here? Now I've got kids I can't afford to piss away money on shit albums with one good track, or hyped up movies with huge budgets but fuck all story... so I'm getting my monies worth the only way I can see how...

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[FBM]

Once someone's had something for free, there's hell to pay trying to get them to pay for it ever again.

[Tyrannical]

The Pirate Bay was shut down years ago, except every time it is shutdown it never seems to go any where.

[FBM]

Works fine in Korea.

[Rum]

And here. Anyone use the TOR system out of interest?

[Animavore]

No.

[redunderthebed]

One big point people have missed is the ridiculous delay between the release of films in different countries (simply for economic reasons) and the fact that there is NO legal outlet for certain TV shows from other countries at the time of release!

There have been films that were released in the US 6 MONTHS before they got a UK airing - what prize for guessing that the box-office takings were decimated by the fact that THE DELAY ALONE meant that half of the country had already seen it before it finally turned up at Showcase!

There have been US TV shows that waited over a year before anyone in the UK (EXCEPT for torrent users) knew they existed - Breaking Bad, The Wire, Entourage, ...

There are shows that died in the US due to lack of viewing numbers but which were loved by ("illegal") viewers throughout the world that only watched them via torrents because there was NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE!

We live in a global economy, with a global marketplace. Gone are the days where you could show a 5 year old TV show to a new market and they would never have heard of it! Teh timez, Tehy iz a chayngin!

Agreed its not about copyright its control they want to control their product and the internetz don't allow them to do that.

Pirate Bay has been blocked by Eircom in this country the last three or four years. Just go to torrentz.com to get a list of similar sites.

They tried to do it in australia to by saying stealing is unaustralian.

[Robert_S]

When I buy a used CD, is that piracy?

[Thinking Aloud]

When I buy a used CD, is that piracy?

No - it's been paid for by the original purchaser, and the royalties due on that particular recording have been passed on to whomever owns the rights. Reselling is also usually covered by law - at least I'm pretty sure it is in the UK.