O'Reilly: Pepper Spray Is a Food Product

[charlou]

And waterboarding isn't torture, but just an "enhanced interrogation technique"

Correct.

I thought it was a sexy time breathplay sort of thing.

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[Gawdzilla Sama]

And waterboarding isn't torture, but just an "enhanced interrogation technique"

Correct.

I thought it was a sexy time breathplay sort of thing.

It's actually a means of making Mel Gibson's speech intelligible. [/obscure]

[Seth]

Reasonable force would have been to lift them up and move them physically off the pavement.

According to whom? You? Have you ever tried to lift a protester off the sidewalk? That's how police officers get injured, sometimes seriously and permanently injured.

If they started fighting that then pepper spray may have been appropriate dependent on the level of their resistance. To just waltz up and spray them is brutality

Nobody waltzed up and sprayed them, they were given numerous warnings to move and that they would be sprayed. Their resistance to those orders was a good indication that they were determined not to move and so the police escalated the level of force appropriately. By spraying them the police both induced them to move voluntarily (by giving them a reason to go get their eyes washed) and they reduced their ability to engage in further violence against the police, something that is always a risk in a potential riot situation. It also demonstrated to the other protesters standing around that the police were determined to maintain control of the situation by using pepper spray, which no doubt dissuaded some bystanders from interfering in the arrests. Demonstrations are very volatile situations, and once the police have been ordered (as they were, by the Chancellor) to disperse the crowd and clear the sidewalk, it became imperative that the police present a strong show of force, particularly when there were as few of them as there were on the scene, in order to maintain control of the situation. This is not something that a civilian whose never been in uniform during a riot would really understand. Armchair quarterbacking is fun, but until you've been there and done that, it's not really worth much.

Despite what the quisling Chancellor is doing (first approving of the actions, then changing her tune when the students got upset), I'm confident that there will be no successful lawsuits for excessive force.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"further violence"

[Jason]

I'd quite like to get sprayed with pepper spray just to find out what it's like.

Been there, done that. As part of police training most cops (including me) have to take a hit, just like they have to take a taser hit before being certified to use one. It sucks giant donkey dick, that's what it's like. But it won't kill you or permanently harm you. Takes about 20 minutes before you can be fully functional again. No residual effects once you've had your eyes washed out and skin washed off.

You're a cop? That explains a lot.

Do you also have to be shot before being certified to carry a firearm? I think that would be fitting.

[DaveD]

I'd quite like to get sprayed with pepper spray just to find out what it's like.

Been there, done that. As part of police training most cops (including me) have to take a hit, just like they have to take a taser hit before being certified to use one. It sucks giant donkey dick, that's what it's like. But it won't kill you or permanently harm you. Takes about 20 minutes before you can be fully functional again. No residual effects once you've had your eyes washed out and skin washed off.

You're a cop? That explains a lot.

Do you also have to be shot before being certified to carry a firearm? I think that would be fitting.

That might explain a lot. Was it a headshot, Seth?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Fatally wounded. Ten years ago.

[Seth]

I'd quite like to get sprayed with pepper spray just to find out what it's like.

Been there, done that. As part of police training most cops (including me) have to take a hit, just like they have to take a taser hit before being certified to use one. It sucks giant donkey dick, that's what it's like. But it won't kill you or permanently harm you. Takes about 20 minutes before you can be fully functional again. No residual effects once you've had your eyes washed out and skin washed off.

You're a cop? That explains a lot.

Was. Retired now.

Do you also have to be shot before being certified to carry a firearm? I think that would be fitting.

Invalid comparison. Being maced, tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed or tasered (which at one time or another I've been subjected to, either as training or during a riot) is neither permanently harmful nor deadly (although tasers are increasingly being blamed for deaths, along with positional asphyxiation, where cops kneel on the backs/necks of handcuffed suspects who are still struggling), whereas any gunshot wound has the potential to kill or permanently maim.

That's why shooting someone is an exercise of deadly physical force no matter how lightly they are wounded, whereas the others are not considered to be deadly physical force and are actually less harmful in most cases than going hands-on with a suspect or using a baton. Temporarily incapacitating someone with OC spray takes the fight out of them immediately, which protects both the police AND the suspect from more serious injuries that frequently occur when one has to wrestle/fight with someone.

I wish I'd been carrying OC spray (wasn't invented yet) when one suspect tried to bite off my thumb and I had to whack him on the head with my MagLight to make him let go. The FBI showed up the next day after he complained about being whacked in the head to the jail personnel but neglected to mention that he had my thumb in his mouth and was trying to bite it off at the time. After the FBI heard the truth, and saw the bite marks and stitches on my thumb, they up and left and nothing more was heard about it. On the way out the door, one of the FBI agents told me that I'd have been justified in pulling my gun out and shooting the perp dead, which is what he would have done. And he was legally correct, I could have done so and been legally justified. I decided not to only because he finally let go after being tapped on the skull about four times with increasing force as I told him "let go of my thumb."

If I'd had OC spray, I never would have had to wrestle with him and he'd never have gotten ahold of my thumb in the first place. I'd have given him a shot in the face when he first started resisting arrest and then handcuffed him without further injury to either of us.

It's easy to say it's "police brutality" when you've never been a police officer called upon to make the decision as to which level of force is necessary and appropriate in the particular circumstance. In this case, the protesters knew what was coming and they all chose to be sprayed as part of their agenda of civil disobedience and law-breaking. And the effect has been much better than they could have hoped for due to the quisling Chancellor throwing the police to the jackals in an attempt to cover HER ass. So all in all, it appears to be a "victory" for the protesters.

Still, the police used reasonable and appropriate physical force in order to effect arrests without further or more serious injuries to anyone than a half-hour of intense discomfort. Good choice of tactics I'd say.

[Azathoth]

Aww diddums the poor little piggies might put their backs out lifting the non-violent protesters. Have some US legal precedent against laziness as an excuse for the use of pepper spray

http://openjurist.org/276/f3d/1125/head ... v-the-coun

[Coito ergo sum]

Billo Lielly (aka Billo the Clown, aka Bill O'Reilly of Faux Entertainment) allowed the claim on his show on national TV that the pepper spray used at UC Davis, for which two police and a chief of police got suspended, is a "food product."

These people just lie. They'll say anything at all, no matter how big a lie it is and no matter how badly they're going to look for lying when everyone knows.

“Pepper spray, that just burns your eyes, right?” O’Reilly asked Kelly.

“Right,” Kelly said. “I mean, its like a derivative of actual pepper. It’s a food product, essentially.”

Watch the video for yourself here.

The pepper spray is 1,000 times hotter than a habanero pepper. And food goes in your mouth; can you imagine putting habanero juice in your eye? How about something hotter? I have seen people required to sign a release before being allowed to eat a habanero burger. And I have seen a grown man cry because he got a habanero seed up the back of his nose laughing while eating one. And he was a bold dude. Seriously.

I expected something a lot more damning. Sounds accurate - a derivative of actual pepper - a food product, essentially. I mean, so what? She clarified: " “[O'Reilly] wanted me to tell him what is in pepper spray, so I told him what the active ingredient is. That’s all I meant to convey… not that I meant it’s a snack! … I think what happened was people didn’t watch the whole segment and assumed I was diminishing it. In no way did I mean to diminish what was happening.”

I'm not sure what the big deal is there.

[Schneibster]

The entire UC campus system is having a huge conniption over this. Keep in mind that they're pepper spraying the customers who are going into huge debt to be pepper sprayed.

Seth of course doesn't want to discuss where the money comes from. Give them the money because they deserve it and pepper spray you if you don't like it, is its attitude.

Libertardians know nothing about economics.

[tattuchu]

And waterboarding isn't torture, but just an "enhanced interrogation technique"

Correct.

Unless it's done to our troops, of course. Then it's torture

[sandinista]

And waterboarding isn't torture, but just an "enhanced interrogation technique"

Correct.

Unless it's done to our troops, of course. Then it's torture

The west are masters of linguistic acrobatics.

[Schneibster]

And waterboarding isn't torture, but just an "enhanced interrogation technique"

Correct.

Unless it's done to our troops, of course. Then it's torture

The west are masters of linguistic acrobatics.

Having read Kafka, I would say humans generally are.

Anti-"west" (whatever the fuck that means) bigotry noted.

[sandinista]

Having read Kafka , I would say humans generally are.

Yes, humans are...generally, the western media is specifically, very skilled. Nice try...noted.